The Trump presidency

[Yuwipi Woman]

I was joking but...

I'm not. You have to ask for single payer eventually if you ever expect to get it. You might as well ask for it now. If you really talk to people, a majority are for it:

Majority in U.S. Support Idea of Fed-Funded Healthcare System

 

[TomUS]

This is an illustration to those who said 'The Dems had majorities in the House and Senate. Why didn't they pass single payer?' Members of congress fight among themselves even within their own party.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I don't think single payer has much of a chance with a Congress where a good portion of Republicans think the AHCA wouldn't have gone far enough.

 

[brogdale]

Trumpcare is dead. Obamacare continues.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I don't think single payer has much of a chance with a Congress where a good portion of Republicans think the AHCA wouldn't have gone far enough.

No, but you have to get the idea out there and argue for it. The worse the health care system gets, the more people will be looking for alternatives. You need to have a plan on the shelf and ready to go.

I always respect our Senator Ernie Chambers. Been in the legislature for 30 years, trying to repeal the death penalty. He almost got it done last year. He came { } this close. Undeterred, his death penalty repeal bill was right back on the agenda this session.

 

[J Ed]

I'm not. You have to ask for single payer eventually if you ever expect to get it. You might as well ask for it now. If you really talk to people, a majority are for it:

Majority in U.S. Support Idea of Fed-Funded Healthcare System

Oh, I just meant the joke was that if you called a single payer system Trumpcare you could get Trump to back it

 

[J Ed]

No, but you have to get the idea out there and argue for it. The worse the health care system gets, the more people will be looking for alternatives. You need to have a plan on the shelf and ready to go.

The Freedom Caucus definitely seem to be on that

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Oh, I just meant the joke was that if you called a single payer system Trumpcare you could get Trump to back it

Sorry, my sense of humor has taken a bit of a hit lately. I'm in a foul mood. Good thing it's the weekend, or I might have to look for good places to hide the bodies.

 

[Cloo]

Trumpcare is dead. Obamacare continues.

Though suggestion is in some quarters that it's not because of a wish to keep Obamacare but because their replacement wasn't shitty enough yet, but I don't know whether or not this is a situation where they can come back with another replacement for/destruction of Obamacare

 

[Crispy]

Good idea; fire away.

I knew this was coming

I'm just a consumer here, but I want to consume the intelligent insights of P&P's finest, not Twitter by proxy.

 

[brogdale]

Though suggestion is in some quarters that it's not because of a wish to keep Obamacare but because their replacement wasn't shitty enough yet, but I don't know whether or not this is a situation where they can come back with another replacement for/destruction of Obamacare

He failed because he offered them what they'd called for in opposition...which turns out to be not what they actually wanted. Anything 'stronger' will fail even more spectacularly.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I knew this was coming

I'm just a consumer here, but I want to consume the intelligent insights of P&P's finest, not Twitter by proxy.

It's like life in microcosm: you get the good with the bad.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Yesterday, Trump demands the vote take place today.

Today, he pulls it.

What a flip-flopping sack o' shit.

 

[Yossarian]

So Trump's legislative plans have been thwarted by a group of obstinate Republicans in the House - I hope that at his next press conference, somebody asks Trump how it feels to be Barack Obama.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

So Trump's legislative plans have been thwarted by a group of obstinate Republicans in the House - I hope that at his next press conference, somebody asks Trump how it feels to be Barack Obama.

Has anyone asked for his birth certificate?

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

What a flip-flopping sack o' shit.

To be fair, he's a sack of shit even without flip-flopping.

 

[Yossarian]

I knew this was coming

I'm just a consumer here, but I want to consume the intelligent insights of P&P's finest, not Twitter by proxy.

If you were to start a thread for a class-based analysis of how the Democratic Party could start rebuilding itself from a local level up to defeat Trump and the neo-liberal agenda of both parties, it would probably cut down on the amount of complaining in this one, though you'd probably need to give it a snappier title.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I hope Trump goes to Mar a Lago this weekend. The twitter storm that will flow when he's on the toilet tomorrow morning at 5 a.m., will be phenomenal.

 

[Tankus]

Its going to be epic


Is Ryan the fall guy .?

 

[brogdale]

I knew this was coming

I'm just a consumer here, but I want to consume the intelligent insights of P&P's finest, not Twitter by proxy.

Maybe post up some thread rules, then?

 

[gosub]

So Trump's legislative plans have been thwarted by a group of obstinate Republicans in the House losers - I hope that at his next press conference, somebody asks Trump how it feels to be Barack Obama.

trumpified that for you.

So called 'democracy', do they not know who he is. (he clearly doesn't which is why he has to write his name on everything)

 

[brogdale]

Beautiful, just beautiful.

 

[starfish]

Well done Congress, well fucking done.

 

[petee]

Its going to be epic


Is Ryan the fall guy .?

no, it's the Democratic party

"Mr. Trump, in a telephone interview moments after the bill was pulled, blamed Democrats and predicted that they would seek a deal within a year, he asserted, after “Obamacare explodes” because of high premiums."

In Major Defeat for Trump, Push to Repeal Health Law Fails

 

[CrabbedOne]

Trumpcare is dead. Obamacare continues.

Well ACA stumbles on being diligently undermined as insurers have no clear signal from government. Obamacare is basically a flawed political compromise based on over complicated 90s conservative ideas that the GOP has since moved to the right of. The inept Trump will continue to blame Obama for all his failures and it'll probably work well enough for a second term.

Sanders if he'd somehow won would also be up to his neck in this shit trying to find a viable compromise or ending up doing fuck all like all the presidents since Nixon before Obama. Trump is getting nothing of substance done but doing fuck all is often the safer option.

 

[brogdale]

Lame duck President.

 

[Dan U]

no, it's the Democratic party

"Mr. Trump, in a telephone interview moments after the bill was pulled, blamed Democrats and predicted that they would seek a deal within a year, he asserted, after “Obamacare explodes” because of high premiums."

In Major Defeat for Trump, Push to Repeal Health Law Fails

Breitbart putting out its Ryan's fault already

Can't think what their source might be

 

[coley]

Beautiful, just beautiful.

Once he manages to join up the dots

 

[coley]

Well ACA stumbles on being diligently undermined as insurers have no clear signal from government. Obamacare is basically a flawed political compromise based on over complicated 90s conservative ideas that the GOP has since moved to the right of. The inept Trump will continue to blame Obama for all his failures and it'll probably work well enough for a second term.

Sanders if he'd somehow won would also be up to his neck in this shit trying to find a viable compromise or ending up doing fuck all like all the presidents since Nixon before Obama. Trump is getting nothing of substance done but doing fuck all is often the safer option.

But seeing him get a kick in the knackers from his own side, so early in his term? Doesn't bode well for a second term, or to be hopeful, that he will actually complete his first?

 

[petee]

Lame duck President.

otoh it's early for that. Clinton got crushed on DADT, and won a second term. otoh, Trump's management style (if you want to call it that) will continue to lead to defeats, and i can see the GOP not uniting behind him in four years.