gaijingirl
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Same with the Railway in Tulse Hill
The Trinity Arms, Brixton. From honest pub to squidgy buns and Instagramming
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Same with the Railway in Tulse Hill
EastEnder
Brixton Barnacle
I think the issue here is people moving into a particular area, knowing what the area is like, and then complaining about what the area's like. If you've lived on a quiet street for 20 years and then someone opens up a pub/venue behind your gaff & it's blaring out music at all hours of the night, then yes absolutely, complain away, I would too.
Some years ago I moved from the outskirts of Brixton to right into the centre, I've now got several very popular pubs within spitting distance of my bedroom window, and they can be very noisy. But the pubs have been there a hell of a lot longer than me and I chose to move into the centre of Brixton, right next to noisy venues. I knew full well what I was doing & what to expect.
There are circumstances under which I would make a fuss - such as if they're keeping me awake on a school night, or if they're still going strong at 6am on a Sunday morning. But for regular Friday/Saturday nights I would never complain - I have a stack of ear plugs to deal with the noise if I'm having an early night.
SpamMisery
Pretty comfortable here right under your skin
I like to think that back when the DoE first became a music venue, those currently complaining about the 'nu' residents and defending the pub, were complaining about the 'nu' pub and defending the residents.
Rushy
basically a scrotum
Fergal at the Trinity really was pretty quiet. Complaints were often about people talking and laughing too loudly outside.
The DofE totally over did it though. Just kept pushing the boundaries to see what they could get away with. Tremendous fun if you were at the party (as I sometimes was) but ridiculously inconsiderate towards people backing on to the garden. The idea that the various occupants of the numerous adjacent family houses had been mythical "old school Brixton" clones who by definition all welcomed, or even happily tolerated their families being subjected to the pub's increasing noise levels and amplification would benefit from some backing up.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
He really didn't like you swearing within his hearing. He once told us we would have to leave if we continued talking in that manner, and we weren't really effing and blinding that much.
Rushy
basically a scrotum
That does not surprise me!Good grief. What has happened to the place. From regular boozer to a wannbe hipster joint spouting crap like:
Trinity Arms Brixton
Jesus Christ!
Last time I drank in there which admittedly was around 10 years ago it was a proper sticky floor old school type boozer, I am genuinely shocked how much they have tarted this place up.
shakespearegirl
just worked out taglines
I had friends who happily lived in the street
Opposite for years and had no problems with the DOE, but they did then start taking the piss. There didn't seem to be any noise management towards the end
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hiraethified
When was this?
Mr Retro
Beware hedgehogs
What time period are you talking about for your "newly arrived whining, entitled fucking wankers?"
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hiraethified
Not really interested in engaging with you, especially seeing as you failed to answer my earlier question on the topic.
Mr Retro
Beware hedgehogs
shakespearegirl
just worked out taglines
Roughly 12 years ago - give or take a year or so..
Mr Retro
Beware hedgehogs
That was maybe just before pubs got 24 hour licenses in November 2005? In August 2005 The Duke went for their 24 hour application. I knew the caretaker of the Mews houses from drinking in the Canterbury and of course living nearby.
As I said before (but apparently not believed by some posters on here) the caretaker of the mews houses, on behalf of his tenets, used to keep the Duke as under control as he was able to. On this occasion he was on holiday and asked me to go along to protest the Dukes application.
I was happy to do this as, as others have stated, the were by now taking the piss. I had been in our house for 3 years before this but never complained. Though to be fair, I had ample excuse and evidence to do so.
As it turned out the local license protesters and the Duke representatives came to a mutually acceptable agreement at the council meeting before the case was heard. I think everybody came out of that meeting feeling they had gained something.
Maybe those who missed their "festival atmosphere" and who feel people living next to the festival and erroneously refered to as "newly arrived entitled fucking wankers" feel they lost something. But frankly I couldn't give a flying fuck.
Thimble Queen
Called away to another place
Gross. Let's hope so.
T & P
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The issue of noise obviously is not always as simple as 'which came first, the pub or the housing'. As this thread and others over the years appear to suggest, circumstances can change and a venue that had previously produced acceptable levels of noise might develop into generating excessive levels.
The issue of housing could also potentially provide an interesting new angle. Admittedly most of the new developments near existing pubs have been private sale with little or no affordable housing. But if a block of mainly or wholly social housing were to be built next to an existing pub, and the new arrivals were to complain about the noise levels they were enduring, would it still be right to tell them to put up and shut up?
The issue of housing could also potentially provide an interesting new angle. Admittedly most of the new developments near existing pubs have been private sale with little or no affordable housing. But if a block of mainly or wholly social housing were to be built next to an existing pub, and the new arrivals were to complain about the noise levels they were enduring, would it still be right to tell them to put up and shut up?
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hiraethified
There is a slight difference in that social housing tenants generally have very little say in where they get housed, so shunting a ton of families right next to a busy pub wouldn't be fair on either party.
People who can afford to buy houses in trendy area have generally made a conscious choice to live in a certain location - and if that location is next to a pub that has been lively for years, then they can STFU about any existing noise. If the volume subsequently rises or the hours are extended, then of course they have a point.
But it's a bit of a pointless question anyway because there's bugger all social housing going up next to a pub in the centre of Brixton any time soon.
happyshopper
Well-Known Member
"... a pub that's been lively for years". That was never the Trinity Arms. Fergal liked a quiet pub. It was only ever Young's, the brewery, that wanted extended hours and all the other changes. That's why he went back to Ireland. Since then the pub has changed, not much to my liking to be honest. But then there's not a lot of money to be made by running a pub for just a handful of old geezers contemplating their pints. So I'd rather have the Trinity even as it is, rather than no pub at all.
So the history is that it's the pub that's changed and it's all the local residents, of which I am one for over 30 years, that have tried to keep the noise and disturbance as it was.
So the history is that it's the pub that's changed and it's all the local residents, of which I am one for over 30 years, that have tried to keep the noise and disturbance as it was.
V.T. O'Brien
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Used to go the Trinity a lot back in the late 80s and through the 90s. Not so much in more recent times. Realised the place had taken a turn for the worse a couple of years ago. Was in there one Saturday afternoon, and one of the bright young things who sat down to share the table out in the garden asked me if i knew who'd won the boat race...
Tally ho old chap !
Mr Retro
Beware hedgehogs
Glad you agree then, given what you've been told on this thread, that it wasn't "some newly arrived whining, entitled fucking wankers" who protested the Dukes festival atmosphere.
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hiraethified
Never liked the Trinity even before the recent refurb. Too Cla'am. Too rugger shirt.
happyshopper
Well-Known Member
You don't get to choose your local. It's just, well, local.
lang rabbie
Je ne regrette les gazebos
The closure of the Town Hall, with council meetings now being rotated around the borough, the previous overall reduction in the number of committee meetings because the council hates scrutiny, and the large number of longstanding Lambeth officers who have taken redundancy over the last eighteen months must cumulatively mean that the Trinity lost a lot of their previous weekday evening regulars.
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hiraethified
Well, I think there's some leeway in the definition of 'local' when there better boozers very close by!
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