The stupidity of the anti-vaxx nutcases

[AmateurAgitator]

Festival season begins early with newcomer ‘Plague In The Park’

In another sign that Britain is coming out of lockdown, the festivals that are a marker for the British summer began in earnest as thousands gathered in London to celebrate being obnoxious disease …

newsthump.com

 

[BigMoaner]

" “Nonsense. This is a big tent and we welcome all sorts. We have crystal healers talking with paranoiacs who think politicians are sentient lizards. Yummy mummies who won’t stop talking about the time they went to an ashram in Goa and racist loons who think a halal option in Greggs is part of a secret plan to create an Islamic republic in Bermondsey. "

 

[BigMoaner]

“See that woman wearing a yellow star because she thinks having to put on a mask in Morrisons is the same as being targeted for extermination? Well, coincidentally, the man she is chatting to sincerely believes that Jews control the world’s media.

“That’s diversity!”

 

[FridgeMagnet]

edit: actually it's better on the meme thread

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

Don't take this personally. But I think I'd rather smash myself in the face with a brick.

This sounds like a sound therapy to me.

 

[DaveCinzano]

I can't remember his name but he was a bbc radio leeds person with a history of 'lewd comments' about women. A darker partridge.

eta: found him.

I wasn’t up to the job, says Radio Leeds DJ who made inappropriate comments to weather presenter

a BBC Radio DJ who angered and embarrassed his bosses and colleagues with lewd on-air humour has left the radio station.

www.yorkshirepost.co.uk

“We decided that it’s best to shake hands and have a few pancakes.”

 

[BigMoaner]

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[cupid_stunt]

Blimey, he published my post, and responded with -

• Please don't "Cherry Pick" mark, wrong set of data results, wrong part of the Gov.UK site, zero marks for effort.

My reply -

• Well in that case, Geoff, I am sure you can provide the link on the Gov.UK site that says exactly the opposite and backs you up. If, however, you can't, well....

Needless to say, he didn't come back with a link, but waited a few days before repeating his claim that there's been almost 1,000 deaths from the vaccines.

I re-posted the link that I had provided before, which resulted in this amusing reply from another poster.

Ray posted:

No Mark did you not know it is us, the majority that is wrong. We are ignorant of the facts that they see. It is not their fault we are too stupid to see what is in front of our noses.

The reason we don't understand is because even though we research the subject, we are looking at the wrong things in the wrong places.

Very good, Ray

Sadly that's been demonstrated here -

Geoff claims there's been nearly a 1000 deaths from vaccines, and we need to check the yellow card system for adverse side effects on the Gov.UK website

I provide a link to the said report, which clearly states 32 deaths have been associated with the vaccines roll-out, not nearly 1,000.

Geoff claims I've quoted the 'wrong set of data results, wrong part of the Gov.UK site', despite the fact I hadn't.

I ask him to provide the link on the Gov.UK site that says exactly the opposite and backs him up.

Geoff ignores this, because there is no such link, then a few days later claims once again there's been almost 1000 deaths.

It's like trying to nail jelly to the wall.

 

[NoXion]

Sounds a lot like creationists. A lot of them will bring up points that have been refuted a thousand times already.

 

[existentialist]

Needless to say, he didn't come back with a link, but waited a few days before repeating his claim that there's been almost 1,000 deaths from the vaccines.

I re-posted the link that I had provided before, which resulted in this amusing reply from another poster.



Very good, Ray

Sadly that's been demonstrated here -

Geoff claims there's been nearly a 1000 deaths from vaccines, and we need to check the yellow card system for adverse side effects on the Gov.UK website

I provide a link to the said report, which clearly states 32 deaths have been associated with the vaccines roll-out, not nearly 1,000.

Geoff claims I've quoted the 'wrong set of data results, wrong part of the Gov.UK site', despite the fact I hadn't.

I ask him to provide the link on the Gov.UK site that says exactly the opposite and backs him up.

Geoff ignores this, because there is no such link, then a few days later claims once again there's been almost 1000 deaths.

It's like trying to nail jelly to the wall.

But do remember that your relentless holding of his feet to the fire is at least enabling his "audience" to see that there's another point of view; you may never persuade him, but you are - at the very least - impeding his ability to persuade everyone who's reading his drivel.

 

[cupid_stunt]

But do remember that your relentless holding of his feet to the fire is at least enabling his "audience" to see that there's another point of view; you may never persuade him, but you are - at the very least - impeding his ability to persuade everyone who's reading his drivel.

That's the only reason I am doing it, he's too far down the rabbit hole to be helped, but for those causal readers, who may be looking down the rabbit hole, will hopefully not jump on down it, when they see he's posting complete nonsense.

 

[BigMoaner]

Needless to say, he didn't come back with a link, but waited a few days before repeating his claim that there's been almost 1,000 deaths from the vaccines.

I re-posted the link that I had provided before, which resulted in this amusing reply from another poster.



Very good, Ray

Sadly that's been demonstrated here -

Geoff claims there's been nearly a 1000 deaths from vaccines, and we need to check the yellow card system for adverse side effects on the Gov.UK website

I provide a link to the said report, which clearly states 32 deaths have been associated with the vaccines roll-out, not nearly 1,000.

Geoff claims I've quoted the 'wrong set of data results, wrong part of the Gov.UK site', despite the fact I hadn't.

I ask him to provide the link on the Gov.UK site that says exactly the opposite and backs him up.

Geoff ignores this, because there is no such link, then a few days later claims once again there's been almost 1000 deaths.

It's like trying to nail jelly to the wall.

i have horrible feeling that this is what hte future will look like.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

I do think it's really notable that a significant section of the alternative/counter-cultural/hippie/new age/whatever scene has fully gone down this bonkers conspiracy route.

They were twats in the 90’s and they’re twats now.

 

[cupid_stunt]

So, according to the loons, an estimated 500,000 to 1,000,0000 were on the march yesterday.

Coming back to this, for another laugh.

Following the anti-lockdown protest in London on Saturday 24 April, claims that up to one million people attended have been shared widely.

Crowd sizes are difficult to estimate accurately. Nevertheless one million is an implausible estimate.

One video shows the entire procession pass along Victoria Embankment and under Waterloo Bridge in around 50 minutes.

For one million people to have been part of this procession, around 330 people would need to pass through every second. The video shows that, even at its densest, the procession was not moving nearly this many people through.

Just to give you an idea of how implausible this estimate is, it would be generous to say the march had an average density of about one person per square metre.

At that density, a million people would cover around 56 kilometers (35 miles) of road the width of Victoria Embankment, equivalent to the distance from Waterloo Bridge to the outskirts of Luton.

There were nowhere near one million people at the anti-lockdown march - Full Fact

The march passed under Waterloo Bridge in 50 minutes. It’s unfeasible that one million people could pass through that space in 50 minutes.

fullfact.org

 

[BigMoaner]

Coming back to this, for another laugh.

There were nowhere near one million people at the anti-lockdown march - Full Fact

The march passed under Waterloo Bridge in 50 minutes. It’s unfeasible that one million people could pass through that space in 50 minutes.

fullfact.org

that's just the facts, man.

 

[AmateurAgitator]

I know Novara Media isn't exactly popular on here, but Ash Sarkar has some interesting thoughts/analysis here on Saturday's large and quite diverse demo:

 

[BigMoaner]

know what, i got a few mins in and when he started showing clips of the crowd and their grinnign faces i just had to turn it off.

india.
the country on a knife edge to see if easing lockdown restrictions will work.
reading people's stories of suffering on here.
and all the rest of the worrying mess of it

i can't even bare right now seeing dangerous selfish twats holding "Stop the Genocide!" signs up in motion images

 

[BigMoaner]

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[scalyboy]

I wonder if this anti-lockdown, anti-mask, Covid-denial / sceptic movement could have been minimised had the government launched a huge public information campaign along the lines of the 'AIDS - Don't Die of Ignorance' one in the 1980s, but this time to explain how vaccines work, and the concept of herd immunity, requiring the majority of the population (healthy and younger as well as vulnerable and older) to be vaccinated?
It seemed to me that the initial 'Stay Home / Protect the NHS / Save Lives' campaign was effective perhaps because it was simple, but perhaps also because it penetrated all sectors of society by being visible everywhere you looked, billboards, press conferences, newspapers, websites, social media etc.

Would it have been possible to formulate a simple and hard-hitting advertising campaign to explain the fallacy of the Laurence Fox 'I don't need to be vaccinated because I'm healthy argument? (which is not only fallacious because it misunderstands how mass vaccination and herd immunity works, but because a policy that only sought to protect older and vulnerable people while letting everyone else carry on as normal would have seen infection rates rocket in shops, offices, doctors' surgeries, hospitals etc.
FWIW I am designated 'clinically extremely vulnerable', and the thought of shopping in an uncontrolled environment would have been even more nerve-wracking than it was already).

IMHO the initial 'Stay Home / Protect the NHS / Save Lives' campaign was effective in part due to its simplicity, a seven-word slogan (hate to say it but maybe Cummings was responsible for formulating it). Could an explanation of how mass vaccination works have been similarly encapsulated in a simple slogan-like way?

Just thinking aloud here... be interesting to know what other countries did by way of Covid public information campaigns..

 

[scalyboy]

i can't even bare right now seeing dangerous selfish twats holding "Stop the Genocide!" signs up in motion images

Yes, the 'genocide' accusation was particularly baffling; is it something to do with false rumours of Bill Gates wanting to depopulate the world by poisoning us with a vaccine? (or variants thereof, i.e. have seen another one that claimed he wanted to depopulate Africa, I think based on a statement he'd made about increasing access to birth control in developing world countries)?

Or do they just not know what the word 'genocide' means?

 

[farmerbarleymow]

I wonder if this anti-lockdown, anti-mask, Covid-denial / sceptic movement could have been minimised had the government launched a huge public information campaign along the lines of the 'AIDS - Don't Die of Ignorance' one in the 1980s, but this time to explain how vaccines work, and the concept of herd immunity, requiring the majority of the population (healthy and younger as well as vulnerable and older) to be vaccinated?

'Don't be a cunt - get vaccinated. Or you'll kill your gran' would be short and to the point. I think you're right - I don't think I've ever seen such a campaign, although no doubt there are targeted approaches for specific groups such as parents with young children for the routine jabs that kids get.

 

[souljacker]

I wonder if this anti-lockdown, anti-mask, Covid-denial / sceptic movement could have been minimised had the government launched a huge public information campaign along the lines of the 'AIDS - Don't Die of Ignorance' one in the 1980s, but this time to explain how vaccines work, and the concept of herd immunity, requiring the majority of the population (healthy and younger as well as vulnerable and older) to be vaccinated?

There was a lot of AIDS denialism as well though and some of those AIDS denialists have popped up again this time round. Problem is, if you think the govt have manufactured this pandemic, you aren't going to believe anything they say. I'm apparently 'siding with the fascist state' because I support lockdown and wear masks in shops.

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

that's just the facts, man.

My lost to the rabbithole acquaintance stopped putting links on his posts months ago because
"they always get fact checked"
the idiot

 

[BigMoaner]

Yes, the 'genocide' accusation was particularly baffling; is it something to do with false rumours of Bill Gates wanting to depopulate the world by poisoning us with a vaccine? (or variants thereof, i.e. have seen another one that claimed he wanted to depopulate Africa, I think based on a statement he'd made about increasing access to birth control in developing world countries)?

Or do they just not know what the word 'genocide' means?

Yes that's someone somewhere is doing it kill us.

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

There was a lot of AIDS denialism as well though and some of those AIDS denialists have popped up again this time round. Problem is, if you think the govt have manufactured this pandemic, you aren't going to believe anything they say. I'm apparently 'siding with the fascist state' because I support lockdown and wear masks in shops.

I've had some of that too.

 

[BigMoaner]

I wonder if this anti-lockdown, anti-mask, Covid-denial / sceptic movement could have been minimised had the government launched a huge public information campaign along the lines of the 'AIDS - Don't Die of Ignorance' one in the 1980s, but this time to explain how vaccines work, and the concept of herd immunity, requiring the majority of the population (healthy and younger as well as vulnerable and older) to be vaccinated?
It seemed to me that the initial 'Stay Home / Protect the NHS / Save Lives' campaign was effective perhaps because it was simple, but perhaps also because it penetrated all sectors of society by being visible everywhere you looked, billboards, press conferences, newspapers, websites, social media etc.

Would it have been possible to formulate a simple and hard-hitting advertising campaign to explain the fallacy of the Laurence Fox 'I don't need to be vaccinated because I'm healthy argument? (which is not only fallacious because it misunderstands how mass vaccination and herd immunity works, but because a policy that only sought to protect older and vulnerable people while letting everyone else carry on as normal would have seen infection rates rocket in shops, offices, doctors' surgeries, hospitals etc.
FWIW I am designated 'clinically extremely vulnerable', and the thought of shopping in an uncontrolled environment would have been even more nerve-wracking than it was already).

IMHO the initial 'Stay Home / Protect the NHS / Save Lives' campaign was effective in part due to its simplicity, a seven-word slogan (hate to say it but maybe Cummings was responsible for formulating it). Could an explanation of how mass vaccination works have been similarly encapsulated in a simple slogan-like way?

Just thinking aloud here... be interesting to know what other countries did by way of Covid public information campaigns..

There should be research (not our own lol) into how misinformation has killed directly. Along the head lines of "how misinformation has killed during covid". If, and I suspect it has, it indeed has. That should then be put on every newspaper front page in the country. Then perhaps fox and all the other grifting organisers will have the tag of "murderous cunts" rather than the freedom fighter memes that follow them around. I'm at the stage now where I feel these people should be shamed more than they currently are.

 

[BigMoaner]

Could you have it in you to try and convince someone not to have the vacinne? I couldn't because I'd be worried that they would be unprotected against a disease that has caused a global pandemic. Well that's the meme warfare that these folk have fed and engaged with.

 

[BigMoaner]

COVID Misinformation Is Killing People

This “infodemic” has to stop

www.scientificamerican.com

 

[cupid_stunt]

This one has to take the biscuit...

These 3 different manufactured doses are "experimental" MRNA injections, once before tested on ferrets/rodents, some time ago, the results of that, was a dismal failure, now we are the new rodents, so to speak.

What a load of old tosh. The Oxford/AZ vaccine doesn't use MRNA technology to start with.

All vaccines have completed phase 1-3 clinical trials, which includes tens of thousands of human being injected, not ferrets/rodents.

 

[BigMoaner]

This one has to take the biscuit...

you have more patience than me mate.