Fez909
toilet expert
Well, they say the coronavirus immunity might only last 3 months so there's a chance the 2nd wave he's also not looking into will take him out
The Russia report.
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Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
Except you're committing pretty much as bad a thing, by tarring all the English with the same brush
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
That's because Russians are famously vehemently anti racist and none would ever dream of using racial epithets as insults.
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Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
Yes, you are.So the finding of the report into Russian interference is that there hasn't been a proper investigation into Russian interference? I thought this was the investigation. Am I missing something?
The ISC, is a Commoins select committee, and as such one of it's prime roles - perhaps it's sole prime role is to sxrutinise the actions and performance of the intelligence, counter-espionage and security services, and the government ministries and ministers they report to.
As such, it is their role to see how well those services etc had done in dealing with acknowledged threats to Britain in those areas - in this case, ihow well they had prepared for, investigated and dealt with a clealy acknowledged threat to the integrity of British democratic processes.
It is MI5 and GCHQ (and also possibly special branch) who would actually investigate the dodgy Russians themselves. No-one else has that authority or purview.
HTH.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
I agree with almost all of your post, except this bit. From the reporting on this it seems the unsurmountable problem is that the people who'd be investigated by MI5, GCHQ and Special Branch for this are the people who, for their own ends, went along with the support offered by the Russian state.
MrSki
Who am I to say you're wrong
The fact 'The London Laundromat' has not been investigated further says it all. Why do oligarchs donate/bung money to politicians? Obviously to exert influence. /according to the press conference both sides of the Lords have been taking Russian cash. If this has influenced their decision making then surely it is treason?
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
absolutely - shadowy - albeit unproven - russian actors, who if they did interfere, then almost certainly would have done so with at the very least the tacit approval of the Russian state.
They most certainly wsouldn't have done so indirect defiance of the wishes of the Russian state because that would pretty much be a death wish.
tbh, I don't see how anyone could be surprised at that
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
The state cannot commit treason against itself. Merely betraying the public good for a few roubles doesn't count.
MrSki
Who am I to say you're wrong
If individuals are influenced by cash in voting a particular way then surely that does count?
MrSki
Who am I to say you're wrong
The New York Times article on the report.
Full article here. ‘No One’ Protected British Democracy From Russia, U.K. Report Concludes
Full article here. ‘No One’ Protected British Democracy From Russia, U.K. Report Concludes
Raheem
Well-Known Member
You'd think so, but who makes the laws?
MrSki
Who am I to say you're wrong
Those that have videos of Johnson in compromising positions with prostitutes & drugs?
As usual the Tories tried their old trick of sweeping the Russia Report under the carpet. Sadly the carpet has had that much swept under it, it is now threadbare and the report sees the light of day. Tories will always put the interest of the party before the country.
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
So let’s get this straight. A bunch of foreigners may have tried to influence British democracy, either by spreading fake news, buying favours and people, planting false stories and opinions etc. But hang on a minute. Doesn’t this kind of stuff happen all day, every day, all around the world, perpetrated by all governments and mega-corporations? So really, what’s the big deal? What’s so unusual?
IMHO the story here is that Boris & Co got the benefit of the 'foreign interference' with Brexit and has since chosen to keep the intelligence services from investigating and fighting back against it for his own ends. It's as good as complicity.
He also blocked the publication before the election, again for his own ends.
It may not be unusual for outsiders to try and influence British politics but to learn that the PM willfully allowed it to happen and indeed benefit from it is disturbing. Doubly so in the context of recent geopolitics
He also blocked the publication before the election, again for his own ends.
It may not be unusual for outsiders to try and influence British politics but to learn that the PM willfully allowed it to happen and indeed benefit from it is disturbing. Doubly so in the context of recent geopolitics
Raheem
Well-Known Member
1) The seeming acquiescence of the government.
2) The way in which alleging it goes on all the time doesn't make it something which ought to be accepted.
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
I was just trying to point out that this kind of stuff is everyday. Media barons like Murdoch control the news in countries all around the world. America uses it political, economic and military influence whenever and wherever it can. As does China, the UK, Turkey, Israel, Saudi Arabia, the UAE. Why single out Russia? Once upon a time Soviet Russia had willing accomplices in the shape of obedient Communist parties all round the place. They don’t have that any more. They don’t control Eastern Europe anymore, nor much of the old USSR. OK it’s convenient to attack the Tories, but their handlers these days very much live in Washington, not Moscow.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
They don't like it up 'em
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
Explain to me why, when I describe the people 'who run the UK' it means everyone english to you? I plainly said nothing of the kind. Are you trying to protect them with disingenuous shite like this? Do you support the people who run your country to the extent that any criticism of them is to be attacked as racism?
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
I could quote a lot more than that if I culd be arsed or if your opinion was relevant, mr telegraph-reading brexiter...accusing others of being duped.
There was no Russian interference in indy1, the only interference came from your country and its lackeys.
Looks like Russians are laundering cash through London’s property market according to this article:
www.wired.co.uk
I wonder how many London estate agents are turning a blind eye, facilitating this whilst getting rich in the process?
Best thing to do would be to move Parliament out of London and put an end to this vile concentration of capital and overblown property market.
Russia blazed a trail for Chinese oligarchs to nab London property
Most of the capital’s prime property is now bought by wealthy Chinese
I wonder how many London estate agents are turning a blind eye, facilitating this whilst getting rich in the process?
Best thing to do would be to move Parliament out of London and put an end to this vile concentration of capital and overblown property market.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Looks like Russians are laundering cash through London’s property market according to this article:
Russia blazed a trail for Chinese oligarchs to nab London property
Most of the capital’s prime property is now bought by wealthy Chinese
I wonder how many London estate agents are turning a blind eye, facilitating this whilst getting rich in the process?
Best thing to do would be to move Parliament out of London and put an end to this vile concentration of capital and overblown property market.
Or, you know, bring about an end to the excesses of capitalism and those who facilitate and partake in such rampant behaviour.
Surprised this is news to you...
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i see you have caught up with 2017 Welcome aboard London's dirty money bus tour and it wasn't really a new thing then
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
What a load of bollocks. NOT A SINGLE HARD FACT. Just the usual media blather of 'We know but can't tell you'.
Never was so much expected by so many, who got so little.
Never was so much expected by so many, who got so little.
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