http://www.islamicinvitationcentre.com/audio/Khaled_Yaseen/Purpose_Life/Purpose_Life.html
very good talk on the purpose of life, hear him out
very good talk on the purpose of life, hear him out
the purpose of life
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Yossarian
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"The Sharia is very clear about it, the punishment for homosexuality, bestiality or anything like that is death. We don't make any excuses about that, it's not our law - it's the Koran." - Khaled Yaseen
"We now know that the way that the World Trade Center fell the way that those buildings fell - they fell from internal explosive charges, the same way it's done in a construction site" - Khaled Yaseen
He's not just a twat - he's a conspiraloon too!
Fucked if I'm going to listen to a whole speech by that fool.
"We now know that the way that the World Trade Center fell the way that those buildings fell - they fell from internal explosive charges, the same way it's done in a construction site" - Khaled Yaseen
He's not just a twat - he's a conspiraloon too!
Fucked if I'm going to listen to a whole speech by that fool.butchersapron
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Chilliconcarne
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The purpose of life is purely to continue the species. We are natural beings of a natural world where every living thing has the ultimate goal of reproducing. I don't see why we are any different.
However....life can have more meaning and colour than that, so an individuals personal purpose and meaning to life can vary greatly.
However....life can have more meaning and colour than that, so an individuals personal purpose and meaning to life can vary greatly.
Dillinger4
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Nobody else?
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Chilliconcarne
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nosos said:
No, which is what I went on to say
gentlegreen
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nosos said:
No - but only in the sense that some of us witnessed the madness of the world when were were young (fossil fuel reliance, global inequalities) and saw it was no place to raise children - whatever higher purposes we have added to the equation.
The world's poor have children because they have no pensions.
Chilliconcarne
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nosos said:I clicked post as soon as I read "The purpose of life is purely to continue the species"
ahhh I see
Forgiven.....this time 
invisibleplanet
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fattboy said:http://www.islamicinvitationcentre.com/audio/Khaled_Yaseen/Purpose_Life/Purpose_Life.html
very good talk on the purpose of life, hear him out
This man, Sheikh Khaled Yaseen, had his fatawa (opinions) rejected, in both Australia, and in USA. The Australian mufti Sheikh Tajuddin Hilali has issued a fatwa (opinion) against Yaseen. Why? Let's find out.
Khalid Yaseen, who heads up in USA and OZ the "Islamic Teaching Institute", whilst in OZ "asked Muslims not to make friends with non-Muslim Australians. He also said that disobedient wives should be beaten up and homosexuals should be put to death". Khalid Yasin is a former Christian (Catholic?) who was drawn to Islam through NOI.
Other Imam in Oz (and other muslims) condemned Yaseen's fatwa (opinion), most notably, the Mufti of Australia - Sheikh Tajuddin Hilali.
In Sydney, a prominent Imam accused scholars from USA/Saudi of attempting to brainwash young Muslims in Australia.
Let's be honest here - in Oz especially, most Muslims fled their country of origin (like UK, Pakistan/Kasmir) to escape the type of idiocy that American "scholars" such as Khalid Yaseen spread.
invisibleplanet
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Religious law is clear about murder. You shall not murder. Only G0D may take a life. Ergo, one may not take the life of a homosexual, or any other human. However, if any human attacks you in order to murder you, you will have to defend yourself and that might result in their murder of you or your killing of the person attacking you. I think there's no other legal 'get out' clause for 'murder'.Yossarian said:
Yep - a conspiraloon, but well done Yoss for making it that far into his speech - I haven't bothered listening to him at all.Yossarian said:"We now know that the way that the World Trade Center fell the way that those buildings fell - they fell from internal explosive charges, the same way it's done in a construction site" - Khaled Yaseen
He's not just a twat - he's a conspiraloon too!
invisibleplanet
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The Qu'ran does not mention homosexuality. The Koran does not exhort Muslims to kill homosexuals. It does not mention anywhere in the Koran that G0D condones heterosexuals murdering homosexuals.
The Qu'ran does mention certain sexual acts, but does not consider being attracted to a member of the same sex a sin.
However practising homosexuality is regarded by Abrahamic religious law as a 'sexual sin' (but not punishable by death).
Consider this: the murder of a homosexual or any other person irrespective of their sexuality would be forbidden in the 'top ten' of the hundreds of 'commandments' mention in the Torah (i.e. 'THOU SHALT NOT DO MURDER)'. Make a computer programme out of these religious laws, and this particular law would override Khalid Yaseen's exhortation that 'homosexuals should be put to death'.
Homosexuality is not a 'sexual sin' to be punishable by DEATH at the hands of another human - to do so is to attempt to play G0D - and so we come back around to the 'only G0D can choose when to take a life' thing.
For those wishing to read about the historical attitudes towards homosexuals across the middle east, then read about Mukhannath:
http://williamapercy.com/wiki/images/Mujun.pdf
I don't understand why these ex-Christian revert Muslims are calling for the death of homosexuals - perhaps fattboy can explain himself.
Lastly, Khalid Yaseen is definitely not G0D. He has no G0D-given right to go around the globe, demanding that homosexuals be murdered.
The Qu'ran does mention certain sexual acts, but does not consider being attracted to a member of the same sex a sin.
However practising homosexuality is regarded by Abrahamic religious law as a 'sexual sin' (but not punishable by death).
Consider this: the murder of a homosexual or any other person irrespective of their sexuality would be forbidden in the 'top ten' of the hundreds of 'commandments' mention in the Torah (i.e. 'THOU SHALT NOT DO MURDER)'. Make a computer programme out of these religious laws, and this particular law would override Khalid Yaseen's exhortation that 'homosexuals should be put to death'.
Homosexuality is not a 'sexual sin' to be punishable by DEATH at the hands of another human - to do so is to attempt to play G0D - and so we come back around to the 'only G0D can choose when to take a life' thing.
For those wishing to read about the historical attitudes towards homosexuals across the middle east, then read about Mukhannath:
http://williamapercy.com/wiki/images/Mujun.pdf
I don't understand why these ex-Christian revert Muslims are calling for the death of homosexuals - perhaps fattboy can explain himself.
Lastly, Khalid Yaseen is definitely not G0D. He has no G0D-given right to go around the globe, demanding that homosexuals be murdered.
The problem arises because muslims are allowed to kill in defence of Islam. (Self-defence)
If homosexuals are deemed to be undermining the morals of muslim society thus leading them on the path to Hell. It can be argued that the killing of homosexuals is justified. (Self-defence)
If homosexuals are deemed to be undermining the morals of muslim society thus leading them on the path to Hell. It can be argued that the killing of homosexuals is justified. (Self-defence)
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rover07 said:
I'm sure that what you say has no grounding in the Qu'ran, certainly there is no justification for any Muslim to murder a homosexual (of any type).
I'm quite sure it cannot be argued that the killing of homosexuals can be justified!
Look at the history of tolerance re. the Mukhannathun, in particular the scholar and hadith collector An-Nawawi. Like many other middle eastern and south asian cultures, tolerance of "female-males" (transexuals, cross-dressers etc), and homosexuals (Mukhannathun) is sacrosanct and was way in advance of Western/Christian levels of tolerance (there has been no tolerance in British society except amongst the Upper-class until post-1950s in UK - think of the treatment of Alan Turing).
invisibleplanet
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The purpose of life, is To Live and Let Live.
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nosos said:
The Koran advises men not to engage in homosexual activity, in the context of living a good married life and having children.
Like all religious texts this is open to interpretation, is it merely advice on safe sex and marital harmony? Or a warning that homosexuality is a sin and against the will of Allah?
If it is the latter then the killing of homosexuals could be justified.
Like all religious texts this is open to interpretation, is it merely advice on safe sex and marital harmony? Or a warning that homosexuality is a sin and against the will of Allah?
If it is the latter then the killing of homosexuals could be justified.
invisibleplanet
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I think in relation to Islam, if some Muslims began persecution of homosexuals, then homosexuals would be, under Islamic law, permitted to group together to respond to the persecution/oppression/violence against them, and fight back first using legal or social means to deal with the attacks against them. Second, if no legal or social means were available to homosexuals in their community to deal with the persecution/oppression/attacks against them, and if flight was not an option then in such instances, they are, by Islamic law, permitted to respond to violent attack with violent defence.rover07 said:
In no way could homosexuals ever be considered as oppressing heterosexuals or other homosexuals with their 'nature', unless the homosexuals are raping other men/boys (i.e. predatory homosexual paedophiles forcing sex w/o consent), and if that occurs then they should be judged as rapists foremost.
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Well, what bits particularly, and why?fattboy said:
Whats-his-face got a hard time when he posted up his shitty MEMRI vid and said "yeah this is really great", I don't see why anyone else should get off with less (apart from just exhaustion to be fair).
invisibleplanet said:
Khalid Yasin isnt a scholar, he doesnt nor has he ever made any fatwas about anything.
a fatwa is a lot more than an opinion, its a an Islamic verdict of jurispudence based on evidence fron sharia sources.
Khalid Yasin doesnt claim 2 be a scholar and doesnt call himself a sheikh, the title of sheikh is applied out of respect, sheikh can mean scholar but its also used as a term of respect, a bit like sir is in the uk.
Khalid Yasin is a dai'ee, a person who calls ppl 2 Islam, he gives talks about Islam and is very active in dawah(calling and inviting 2 Islam) and many non muslims have embraced Islam thru him.
i ve never heard of Khailid Yasin being involved with NOI in any way whatsoever at all, but hes a comtemporary of Malik El Hajj Shabbaz, also known as Malcolm X, and came from the same area of new york, who himself renounced the NOI and their racist and false beliefs, and embraced Islam which led 2 him being murdered by NOI members.
im cant comment on any beef that the austrailian sheikh has with Khalid Yasin, because i dont know anything about it, can u clarify what u mean by issuing a fatwa against him?
2 say most muslims 'fled' their countries because of ppl like Khalid Yasin, thats just not true, i dont know of any western influence in the Ulema of any muslim majority countries whatsoever.
most muslims leave their countries 4 economic reasons.
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Fatawa are made all the time by scholars and Imam.
We can see two of his fatawa quoted by Yoss:
We can see two of his fatawa quoted by Yoss:
Yossarian said:
FridgeMagnet said:
the bits about the sophistication and perfection of the world around us and our bodies, i found very appealing, and coming from a christian background the comments about christianitys position on God.
he wasnt conjecturing, he was stating facts ppl can reflect on.
yeah we all know about how everything fits 2gether nicely but we dont often take time 2 reflect on this and attempt 2 draw any conclusions from it.
i think this has a lot more justification 2 be in a forum about theory and philosophy than some random spouting.
invisibleplanet said:
theres no differing on the punishment 4 2 men caught in the homosexual act in Islam, this was made clear in the lifetime of the Prophet pbuh,how can there be a need 4 a fatwa on it?
the punishment is 4 those convicted of the actual act, having feelings 4 other men doesnt make u a criminal or liable 2 be punished, 2 the very best of my knowledge.
i dont know anything about bestiality so i cant comment on that.
Dillinger4
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You don't know anything because you use the number 4 instead of 'for'.
If you can't spell I am not seeing how you are going to be an expert on the intricacies of Islam.
If you can't spell I am not seeing how you are going to be an expert on the intricacies of Islam.
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