The police want a watercannon
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ska invita
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Maybe not now, but they know better than most what the future for the UK holds.... a decade of cuts backed by all major parties, and thats just whats been announced. Id bet the decade after that will be worse still. They will need those water cannon eventually.
Let's hope we have a long hot summer.
ska invita
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Wow: that's cheap! Our cops just bought a special truck, but it cost $350,000.
Then the police in York wanted one too, but theirs has bigger tires, so apparently, it was $10,000 more.
I saw our truck a few weeks ago. There was some incident on the East Side. As I went by, the special truck was driving away. It has red interior lights. The house, all the windows and doors were blown out, and the venetian blinds were hanging out the window holes.
i know you are in canada, but the militarisation of the police in the US is something really scary (looks like Canada isnt much different), and no doubt where the UK will follow.Wow: that's cheap! Our cops just bought a special truck, but it cost $350,000.
Then the police in York wanted one too, but theirs has bigger tires, so apparently, it was $10,000 more.
I saw our truck a few weeks ago. There was some incident on the East Side. As I went by, the special truck was driving away. It has red interior lights. The house, all the windows and doors were blown out, and the venetian blinds were hanging out the window holes.
When did it become normal to have machine-gun armed BTP in train stations? Starting every day walking past those fucks winds me up so much.
Johnny Canuck3
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Just think. The british police want to do this to British citizens.
Johnny Canuck3
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I read somewhere that the home land boys bought enough bullets last year to fight an Iraq-sized war - for 20 years. Also, the fed govt down there has been arming and training swat type teams in small cities and towns right across the country and arming them with expensive, advanced weapons.
ska invita
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I'm sure the reasons for that are complex, but I think its highly likely the US is set for a similar prolonged fall in living standards, and I would bet that government strategists are preparing for all kinds of uprising scenarios.
Johnny Canuck3
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I'm not an expert: do bullets have a shelf life - a 'best before' date?
2hats
Dust.
free spirit
more tea vicar?
mostly just corruption really, same as most US big contracts eg Iraq / afghan war procurement sending hundreds of billions to the coffers of the companies that the architects of the wars are on the boards of / share holders of.
probably justified in this case by the school shootings.
Johnny Canuck3
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Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
No, not really, if stored correctly & in manufacturers packaging. IIRC, America were using up WW2 ammunition during the first Gulf war.
Johnny Canuck3
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ska invita
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im sure you're right, and its partly the military-industrial complex gone mad, but I still wouldn't be surprised if theres a political dimension as well. It extends into many areas of social life in the states: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chase-madar/over-policing-of-america_b_4412187.html
Theres a book called 'Rise of the Warrior Cop: The Militarization of America's Police Forces' and an interview with the author here http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/police-militarization-an-interview-with-radley-balko - theres lots of factors, but it sounds like the Pentagon has a real influence.
As it looks on the cards that policing in the UK is going to become increasingly privatised that might also open to door for more military kit to end up on the streets here.
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friedaweed
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i'm sure you recall the 'theft' of riot equipment from a city police van at the g20 in 2009. think about what people could get away with if more of this military stuff is left lying around on the streets.im sure you're right, and its partly the military-industrial complex gone mad, but I still wouldn't be surprised if theres a political dimension as well. IT extends into many areas of social life in the states: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chase-madar/over-policing-of-america_b_4412187.html
Theres a book called 'Rise of the Warrior Cop: The Militarization of America's Police Forces' and an interview with the author here http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/police-militarization-an-interview-with-radley-balko - theres lots of factors, but it sounds like the Pentagon has a real influence.
As it looks on the cards that policing in the UK is going to become increasingly privatised that might also open to door for more military kit to end up on the streets here.
ska invita
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no i dont remember that one, what happened?
Ming
I shot a man in Reno...
Why the leaking to the press about this water cannon stuff? To get reactions i suppose. We're all watched these days. I remember a PK quote from years ago...i forget the actual year (when the anti-capitalist thing was becoming relevant...Seattle 1999 up to Genoa 2001) about using any online communication being like 'a long tailed cat walking around in a room full of rocking chairs'. It stuck in my head. We were in the ascendancy then. Winning the war of ideas. Regarding Neo-Liberalism, NAFTA, free-trade agreements, union rights, regulating corporations/financial services etc. I personally think that without 9/11 (sorry 11/9) a confrontation would have happened sooner. But the powers that be used it to frighten people into aquiescence and change 'the tone'. We're no longer citizens engaged in a democracy. We're dissidents.
So it's now OK for police to infiltrate politically engaged groups if they're savy enough to realize that the media will ignore a peaceful protest. I've emigrated to Canada but i read the UK news every day. It's depressing. Not saying it's any better over in BC. Harper is really grim. Just to finish my rant. Thatcher had a conversation with Milton Friedman in the 80's when they agreed it was a shame that they couldn't take the Chilean economic model and apply it to the UK completely because it wasn't politically possible at the time. Maybe it just took a few more decades.
So it's now OK for police to infiltrate politically engaged groups if they're savy enough to realize that the media will ignore a peaceful protest. I've emigrated to Canada but i read the UK news every day. It's depressing. Not saying it's any better over in BC. Harper is really grim. Just to finish my rant. Thatcher had a conversation with Milton Friedman in the 80's when they agreed it was a shame that they couldn't take the Chilean economic model and apply it to the UK completely because it wasn't politically possible at the time. Maybe it just took a few more decades.
Brixton Hatter
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interesting that in the original article the police admit the mere presence of the water cannon could inflame already volatile situations. Also, the police admit the cannon would have been of limited use during the 2010 student protests, almost useless during the 2011 riots, and one of the only times they could have used it would have been on the young farmer toffs during the countryside alliance protest 
mauvais
on reddit or something
The situation with US police is amazing.
http://www.theakforum.net/forums/14...-one-getting-bit-nervous-seeing-so-often.html
Two of these:
One of these ($380k):
and some sort of mini-bulldozer/tank:
Deployed in a domestic incident where no gun was recovered, in a town with 15,000 people, in a county with about half the population of the Isle of Wight.
http://www.theakforum.net/forums/14...-one-getting-bit-nervous-seeing-so-often.html
Two of these:
One of these ($380k):
and some sort of mini-bulldozer/tank:
Deployed in a domestic incident where no gun was recovered, in a town with 15,000 people, in a county with about half the population of the Isle of Wight.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Or scent agents.
Pickman's model
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and they've a nice line in merchandise
http://www.prepsportswear.com/gover...lice-Department-Officer.aspx?schoolid=2570762
http://www.prepsportswear.com/gover...lice-Department-Officer.aspx?schoolid=2570762
Pickman's model
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ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Nah. Just means that:
a) they'll deploy standing teams to "protect" hydrant access at points close to the site of a protest, and
b) re-jig tactics so that the water cannon does the same "sweep" role as mounted pigs, with the rump of the pigs doing the same old "follow the horses in, snatch and whack" bullshit.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
They won't deploy it into the smaller side roads, if they've got any tactical sense whatsoever - far too easy to immobilise, especially with no room to manouvre.
Now, if only protesters could act tactically...
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