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Arbitrary speed limit?

There's a theory forum on here Onar. Maybe you'd like to start a thread on 'Lorentzian relativity'. You're talking about an ether, yes?

I'm not going to prejudge what you might say, but I will say this as someone who has grappled with theoretical physics over the years: it is very, very easy to go wrong, to think you've understood something when you haven't. Really very easy. And I don't know how good your maths is. Mine is pretty good but not as good as it used to be, frustratingly, and the maths behind, for instance, the Dirac equation, is fucking hard. But if you're not prepared to grapple with the maths, there's really only a vanishingly small chance that you'll be right.
 
I do NOT see myself as an expert on climate science and physics. I did write the book "The Climate Bubble" a few years ago, where I used 15 years of reading of and discussions and interviews with climate scientists as the basis for presenting the skeptical argument. I'm perfectly well aware of my limitations in these areas, but I am sufficiently well-versed in physics and mathematics to be able to understand the arguments of very good scientists and statisticians. These were the arguments I presented in "The Climate Bubble." Also, it is true that I am skeptical of the interpretation of Relativity and QM. I think that the proponents of Lorentzian Relativity has made a comeback in recent years and presented arguments that explain the paradigm experiments that are used to support Einstein's theory. Lorentzian relativity is a physical theory, whereas Einstein's theory is merely a mathematical description of phenomena, and if the two have the same explanatory power Lorentzian relativity should naturally be preferred. Also, with Lorentzian relativity Einstein's arbitrary speed limit of c is also thrown out, and this opens the door for completely new interpretations in QM, and even a completely classical understanding of the wave/particle duality, slit experiments etc.

If there is one thing I have learned in the last 20 years of studying philosophy, economics and climate science it is that one should never assume that the majority is correct. In fact, I've learned to question EVERYTHING. Most of the time conventional truths hold and unconventional theories really are false/crackpottery, but not always. The solar theory of climate change, for instance, is not proposed by crackpots, and the data supporting it is fantastic. The fact that you can find detailed correlations between solar/cosmic ray variations and climate on virtually ALL time scales ranging from days to billions of years deserves to be taken seriously. The same is true of Lorentzian relativity. It is not crackpottery to propose a PHYSICAL theory of physics which makes the world intelligible.

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True.

TBH Onar has already demonstrated that he doesn't know what he's talking about with this:

Einstein's theory is merely a mathematical description of phenomena

No it isn't. And in any case there is nothing 'merely' about a mathematical description that works! And relativity is not only a beautiful theory, but it most certainly works.

I suspect, sadly, that Onar doesn't understand how it is that relativity works because he dismisses maths as unimportant.

Do you understand what maths is, Onar? That's a serious question, btw.
 

Quite the contrary. I am very well aware of my limitations, and I frequently criticize modern left intellectuals for having an inflated self-image (i.e.a form of narcissism). I am really, really smart, but I'm fully aware that there are literally hundreds of thousands of people in the world that have a much higher IQ than me. Also I don't pretend to be an expert. I know very well that in most areas I do not have the kind of expertise that true experts have. Typically to become an expert in a field you need to be very smart and spend 10-20 years of your life intensively working with the material to truly excel. In fact, the very fact that I am a liberal implies a humbleness in terms of my own abilities. I don't to pretend to be an expert which if given political power can plan all of society better than everyone else. No, it's the fascist plan economists who believe that they are smart and knowledgable enough for such a task. On the contrary, as an adherent of market economy I recognize that the market, consisting of the thinking, planning, negotiation and adapting of millions of individuals far exceeds the knowledge and ability of a single person. Again, it is the left intellectuals and statist politicians who believe that their intellect exceeds the combined power of millions of the ables people in the world. THAT's narcissism.

I do however have ONE area that I consistently seem to be better at the vast majority of people in the world. I'm the exact opposite of a specialist, namely a generalist. A specialist is someone who knows a lot about very little, whereas a generalist is someone who knows a little about a lot. I don't know enough in every field to excel as an expert, but I do typically rise to the level of understanding where I can make assessments of the various theories in the fields. I use my extensive generalist knowledge to cross-fertilize, i.e. to bring knowledge from one field to another and thereby possibly nudge that field in a new direction that it otherwise would not have taken. Let me give a few examples of the generalist contributions I have made:

from studying climate science and plant physiology I know that plants really, really don't like low levels of CO2 and that during the ice ages the CO2 levels are really, really low. As a consequence the ice ages were dominated by deserts and semi-deserts. The previous ice age ended some 12.000 years ago.

Then I combine this with knowledge I have gained from studying human evolution. I know that the evidence from skull sizes indicates that the intelligence modern man was fully developed some 30.000 years ago, yet agriculture did not develop until a little more than 10.000 years ago. I combine these facts and end up with the conclusion that high CO2-level due to the end of the ice age enabled the emergence of agriculture. Prior to this plants simply did not grow sufficiently productively to sustain an agricultural lifestyle. This is a discovery that only a generalist could have made, someone with knowledge from two very separate areas of expterise.

In addition to cross-fertilization a generalist is able to make observations from many different fields and then GENERALIZE. (Hence, the appropriately named term "generalist") It has become second nature to me to look to other areas and data when abstracting new concepts. Example: what is the appropriate definition of "social"? Well, a sociologist would restrict his scrutiny to humans alone, whereas I turn to biology. I look at all the various species that are termed "social" and then look for common distinguishing factors. When appropriately generalized sociality may be defined as "peaceful coexistence." That is the ONLY distinct thing that social animals have in common. Once this definition of sociality has been nailed it then can be used to fertilize and improve the understanding of human sociality.
 
Arbitrary speed limit?

There's a theory forum on here Onar. Maybe you'd like to start a thread on 'Lorentzian relativity'. You're talking about an ether, yes?

I'm not going to prejudge what you might say, but I will say this as someone who has grappled with theoretical physics over the years: it is very, very easy to go wrong, to think you've understood something when you haven't. Really very easy. And I don't know how good your maths is. Mine is pretty good but not as good as it used to be, frustratingly, and the maths behind, for instance, the Dirac equation, is fucking hard. But if you're not prepared to grapple with the maths, there's really only a vanishingly small chance that you'll be right.

"If you think you understand quantum mechanics, you don't understand quantum mechanics" Richard Feynman
 
I am, once again, gazing into my crystal ball. I see this thread going off on yet another amusing tangent.

Not that amusing though as the joke will be the same one where onar imagines he's displaying his expertise, whilst doing something very different: see economics, politics, philosophy and history for previous tellings.

Louis MacNeice
 
Quite the contrary. I am very well aware of my limitations, and I frequently criticize modern left intellectuals for having an inflated self-image (i.e.a form of narcissism). I am really, really smart, but I'm fully aware that there are literally hundreds of thousands of people in the world that have a much higher IQ than me. Also I don't pretend to be an expert. I know very well that in most areas I do not have the kind of expertise that true experts have. Typically to become an expert in a field you need to be very smart and spend 10-20 years of your life intensively working with the material to truly excel. In fact, the very fact that I am a liberal implies a humbleness in terms of my own abilities. I don't to pretend to be an expert which if given political power can plan all of society better than everyone else. No, it's the fascist plan economists who believe that they are smart and knowledgable enough for such a task. On the contrary, as an adherent of market economy I recognize that the market, consisting of the thinking, planning, negotiation and adapting of millions of individuals far exceeds the knowledge and ability of a single person. Again, it is the left intellectuals and statist politicians who believe that their intellect exceeds the combined power of millions of the ables people in the world. THAT's narcissism.

Have you ever written anything, ever, that wasn't a polemic against "fascism"?
 
Rubbish. Utter rubbish. Animals don't come much more social than bees, and when a colony's queen reaches the end of her life, there is an almighty fucking bloodbath as the queen that succeeds her kills all her rivals and often finishes off the old queen. Alternatively the worker bees might smother the old queen to death.

This all part of the entirely functional lifecycle of a bee colony. 'peaceful coexistence'? WTF are you talking about.
 
Rubbish. Utter rubbish. Animals don't come much more social than bees, and when a colony's queen reaches the end of her life, there is an almighty fucking bloodbath as the queen that succeeds her kills all her rivals and often finishes off the old queen. Alternatively the worker bees might smother the old queen to death.

This all part of the entirely functional lifecycle of a bee colony. 'peaceful coexistence'? WTF are you talking about.
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Example: what is the appropriate definition of "social"? Well, a sociologist would restrict his scrutiny to humans alone, whereas I turn to biology. I look at all the various species that are termed "social" and then look for common distinguishing factors. When appropriately generalized sociality may be defined as "peaceful coexistence." That is the ONLY distinct thing that social animals have in common. Once this definition of sociality has been nailed it then can be used to fertilize and improve the understanding of human sociality.

In a shocking development onar re-define's the meaning of social. Onlookers were stunned to see that it accorded with his previously described world view, then cheered in admiration and relief at the discovery of this new proof.

Louis MacNeice
 
conan said:
Example: what is the appropriate definition of "social"? Well, a sociologist would restrict his scrutiny to humans alone, whereas I turn to biology. I look at all the various species that are termed "social" and then look for common distinguishing factors.

So you actually look to human conceptions then.
 
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Arbitrary speed limit?

There's a theory forum on here Onar. Maybe you'd like to start a thread on 'Lorentzian relativity'. You're talking about an ether, yes?

Well, yeah, you could call it ether. I won't be going into that discussion in this thread. Even I don't think that's relevant to a political discussion. :)

I'm not going to prejudge what you might say, but I will say this as someone who has grappled with theoretical physics over the years: it is very, very easy to go wrong, to think you've understood something when you haven't. Really very easy. And I don't know how good your maths is. Mine is pretty good but not as good as it used to be, frustratingly, and the maths behind, for instance, the Dirac equation, is fucking hard. But if you're not prepared to grapple with the maths, there's really only a vanishingly small chance that you'll be right.

a) you describe my experience in economics. I've so many times thought that NOW I fully understand it only to come back and be bitten in the ass by something entirely new that I had in no way even remotely thought about. b) I have taken a lot of courses in math and it comes naturally to me, but I am no mathematician. However, I also generally think that physics is fundamentally simple and logical and can be understood without mathematics. Don't get me wrong, math is certainly important but a physical argument is different and more important. Physical concepts integrate a lot of data and explains them in an intelligible manner. Example: a long time ago people thought that the earth was the center of the universe and that the heavens rotated around the earth. With the stars and the sun this model had great explanatory power. It was possible to construct very accurate mathematical models of the positions of the stars in time based on this model. However, this model of universe-spinning-round-the-earth (which is a PHYSICAL model that in itself doesn't require mathematics to explain and understand) ran into problems especially with the planets. It wasn't until the heliocentric model that these problems were resolved. When the arbitrary mathematical assumption of circular orbits (and hence epicycles) had been abolished in favor of the inductive method the orbits of the planets could be accurately calculated from observations. So there's definitely a feedback between math and physical models, but without the physical models the math very quickly turns infertile.

Let me just very quickly state my reasons for disliking Einstein's theory of relativity. Until Einstein waves were understood and had been induced from observations to mean propagation in a medium. It is even possible to calculate the density of a medium given the propagation speed of waves. But Einstein dismissed this carefully induced knowledge about waves and simply stated that for some mysterious reason light behaves exactly like waves (it refracts, it difracts, it slows in non-vacuum, it has a propagation speed) without being waves in a medium. This is completely arbitrary and replaces a physical understanding with an unintelligible mystery. This is non-objective, i.e. Einstein's theory is based on a premise that is not induced from reality, and I absolutely don't like that about his theory. I also don't like the notion of spacetime where time is treated as a dimension. Physically speaking a dimension is an axis of freedom. Space has three such degrees of freedom. You can actually move back and forth in space, but time is no such dimension. You can't travel in time. You an only move forwards and you have very little control over this process. Also, objectively the future and the past are non-observables. They don't exist. No-one has ever seen the future or the past. You always see *change* which we perceive as the coming of the future, but it always manifests itself in the present, whereas the past is gone forever once it's happen and only materializes itself as traces in 3D space in the present. ALL our physical knowledge about the universe, including Einstein's owns equations strongly indicate that there is no future and no past, only a present. No physical law includes the past or the future. It's all just time differentials from one instant to the next.

Now, here is what I like about the ether theory: it explains light in a physical manner as propagation in a medium. It doesn't require a mysterious speed limit and a mysterious spacetime. Gravitational bending of light is elegantly explained as refraction of light in ether with different densities, with ether density being inverse square proportional to the radius of a gravitational body. Time slowing in strong gravitational fields is explained as atomic clock slowing in a denser ether medium. In fact, the ether model produces the same equations as Einstein. Let me throw in a LeSage type model of gravity for matter and then you have a complete physical model of gravity.

Of course now I've just listed the likes and dislikes. Then comes the hard work of actually answering all the various tough questions and challenges that the model has to satisfy. I am NOT going to go into that in his thread, but I would recommend anyone interested to check out Tom van Flandern's metaresearch.org. Don't be distracted by the fact that he believes in aliens. Everyone has a nutty side. His physics is intelligible and as far as I can tell he answers all of the criticisms I've seen directed at ether models and LeSage gravity.
 
As shown on this very thread by your knowledge of politics, history, economics and philosophy.

Louis MacNeice

Well, IQ is not the same as knowledge. It's perfectly possible to be very smart and have very little knowledge, although the two are typically highly correlated. But with your comment you have at least shown that you do not have knowledge about the concept of intelligence.
 
So you actually look to human conceptions then.

Sure, but biology is a hard science and the concepts developed there are far more objective and high-quality than you typically find in sociology. Social is not an arbitrary term in biology. It has a specific theoretical function and is integral to understanding various behaviors.
 
Rubbish. Utter rubbish. Animals don't come much more social than bees, and when a colony's queen reaches the end of her life, there is an almighty fucking bloodbath as the queen that succeeds her kills all her rivals and often finishes off the old queen. Alternatively the worker bees might smother the old queen to death.

This all part of the entirely functional lifecycle of a bee colony. 'peaceful coexistence'? WTF are you talking about.

Yes, you will find elements of violence in social species, but it's rare. The norm is peaceful coexistence. You cannot simply ignore that for long stretches of time thousands of individuals live together non-violently, and that it is THIS behavior that has given rise to the term "social," not matricide or civil war. If bees didn't live peacefully together most of the time they wouldn't have been called a social species. Social species are studied in wonder precisely because they apparently suspend the "law of the jungle" which is considered to be the norm of nature.
 
You've nailed it. Onar in fact sees himself as an expert on Philosophy, Climate science and Physics (Einstein was wrong, Onar on the other hand is on the right track. Ether-theory and all. Quantum mechanics are inherently evil and goes against Objectivism ... ). For a while he was interesting to me. That was when he was focused on the state vs. individual. Now it's mostly junk science and general crackpottery as you can see for yourself in this thread.

Edit: Yes, he can reexamine his views, and he has done so in the past as well. I also believe he actually means well, and that he is convinced that Laissez-faire would benefit all of humanity. What he does not see is that his and his circle of "liberals" rhetoric is dehumanizing, not just his branding of "" as fascists, his focus on racial differences in IQ is also quite something ...

Is he a fan of "The Bell Curve" by any chance?
 
Have you ever written anything, ever, that wasn't a polemic against "fascism"?

Did you actually find anything wrong with my statement? I don't pretend to know how to rule the world, but obviously all statists DO believe that they are much much better than the free, peaceful market to structure reality. If *I* am narcissistic, what then would you say about the people who think they know better than EVERYONE and wants to be dictators and central planners?
 
Yes, you will find elements of violence in social species, but it's rare. The norm is peaceful coexistence. You cannot simply ignore that for long stretches of time thousands of individuals live together non-violently, and that it is THIS behavior that has given rise to the term "social," not matricide or civil war. If bees didn't live peacefully together most of the time they wouldn't have been called a social species. Social species are studied in wonder precisely because they apparently suspend the "law of the jungle" which is considered to be the norm of nature.

Have you read Kropotkin's Mutual Aid?
 
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