The Islamic state

[Jeff Robinson]

Who's pulling the strings of the IS? IS are a pretty extreme form of imperialism.

I think at this stage they're a Frankenstein's Monster with a logic of its own, so not sure that anybody is "pulling the strings" now, though there's undoubtedly tactic complicity e.g. a la Turkey. Interesting video here on the powers behind IS:

http://video.huffingtonpost.co.uk/v...-islamic-state-518385442?icid=taboola-hp-news

 

[newbie]

Phil, should I understand your consistent use of the words región and opinión differently from region and opinion?

 

[coley]

That does not make your analysis anymore valid.

More partisan if anything, and his comments re; Kurds, well some of my best friends.........​

 

[coley]

AT munitions are what's needed.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29586437

 

[DotCommunist]

I haven´t applied for citizenship yet, but I will soon. I lived in Turkey for many years, and still spend 3 or 4 months a year there. My wife and son are both Turkish citizens. So you see, I do have a dog in this fight. Unlike most people here.

My many Kurdish friends have always been lovely to my Mum.

you said you were leaving because an islamist got voted in.

 

[butchersapron]

An interesting general approach piece - apart from the banality of #1

Four Things the Left Should Learn from Kobane

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

#1 is far from banal.

 

[butchersapron]

#1 is far from banal.

Yeah? You don't think every leftist going has suggested that maybe just maybe the big powers have interests in things other than simply defeating ISIS and a specific fundamentalism? They have and that's why it's a banality that doesn't really need including on that list.

 

[8115]

Who's pulling the strings of the IS? IS are a pretty extreme form of imperialism.

I don't think anyone's pulling their strings.

I mean, presumably some small to medium sized players, very wealthy individuals etc in the region are pulling some of the strings. But I doubt anyone big is.

 

[8115]

It doesn't seem like they are a very top-down organisation anyway, not too many strings to pull maybe.

 

[teqniq]

Triple suicide attack hits Kurds in Iraq

 

[butchersapron]

Triple suicide attack hits Kurds in Iraq

Just to point out for anyone not clicking the link, this wasn't in Kobane - where there have been reports of ISIS preparing a multiple VBIED attack for later today.

 

[DrRingDing]

It doesn't seem like they are a very top-down organisation anyway, not too many strings to pull maybe.

I think you need to read about ISIS before making stuff up in your head.

Try this for starters....... http://www.trackingterrorism.org/content/isis-visuals-leadership-structure-islamic-state-isilisis

 

[littlebabyjesus]

An interesting general approach piece - apart from the banality of #1

Four Things the Left Should Learn from Kobane

Following the links on that to the article on democratic autonomy, I have to agree with the person who pulls them up for their uncritical approach to the PKK. Simply describing their activities as 'guerrilla warfare' doesn't do justice to what they have done in the last 30 years, the places they have targetted, the tactics they have used, and the people they have killed.

It is a shame you have dwyer on ignore here. One of his claims is that the PKK are hated by many Kurds. I'd like dwyer to back that up, tbh, not merely assert it, but it seems at least possible that this is true - the PKK have a history of bullying anyone on their side who doesn't tow their line.

 

[butchersapron]

Following the links on that to the article on democratic autonomy, I have to agree with the person who pulls them up for their uncritical approach to the PKK. Simply describing their activities as 'guerrilla warfare' doesn't do justice to what they have done in the last 30 years, the places they have targetted, the tactics they have used, and the people they have killed.

It is a shame you have dwyer on ignore here. One of his claims is that the PKK are hated by many Kurds. I'd like dwyer to back that up, tbh, not merely assert it, but it seems at least possible that this is true - the PKK have a history of bullying anyone on their side who doesn't tow their line.

I've got not a second of time for the PKK or their leaders democratic turn - any links i give on here and on the the Rojava thread are just filling in the blanks and circulating info - in fact on that thread i also link to a very politically hard rejection of them which is closest to my position.

 

[butchersapron]

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[likesfish]

There was an old Kurdish joke when God got tired of other people killing Kurds he got them to kill each other
Their were some full on battle between rival Kurdish factions and the pkk were up to their neck in it.

 

[Casually Red]

Turkey doesn't really need any friends these days.

Western public opinion vastly over-rates its own effects on the rest of the world. There are still people who say: "Turkey would never dare do this/that/the other.... because they want to get into the EU."

Those days are over. Turkey has no reason to compromise it's own security for the sake of Western interests.

utterly laughable consdering the fact that not only is it a member of NATO..and a major ally of the Zionist state..but its also been hosting thousand of these fucos on its territory throughout the period the west were supporting them ...while his military assisted them in Syria alongside western military experts co ordnating the attempted coup . its been Turkish assstance of the wests failed crusade against Syria that has seen erdogan turn away from a prevously close assocaton wth Assad..both families used to holiday together and regularly visit each others homes.. and unsuccessfully attempt to oust him. A very foolish move that now leaves a vengeful enemy on his borders in the wae of that total failure.

its already resulted in a series of no warning car bombings..a communist suicide attack on the US consulate..a Syrian intelligence service willing to assist anyone having a crack at Turkey..Turkish jets beng shot down..jihadists roaming around the place wth chemical weapons..Kurds now likely to becoming closer to Assad..Ocalan warning of a possible end to the Pkk ceasefire.... riots all over Turkey with dozens dead.. and his country a transit and supply hub for loonies from the 4 corners of the earth. Who now look set to own an entre cty right on his border .

while erdogan pleads in vain for western enforced no fly zones on hs borders and western imposed regime change in Damascus...dead ducks that arent even entertained ...terrified at the consequences of having been the western powers bagman and mouthpiece . One who turned on a personal friend and ally for them but is now left holding the baby in the sure knowledge Assad wll take his revenge when an opportunity arises.

"It is not possible to put terrorism in your pocket and use it as a card because it is like a scorpion which won't hesitate to sting you at the first opportunity," Assad said, according to a transcript from Halk TV, which is close to Turkey's opposition.

"In the near future, these terrorists will have an impact on Turkey and Turkey will pay a heavy price for it."


http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/04/us-syria-crisis-assad-turkey-idUSBRE9930HP20131004

 

[butchersapron]

Save assad he cries

Here's the new english section of the Peoples Defense Units

 

[butchersapron]

More on this potentially very important offensive - i know it's rudaw, but it highlights some aspects of strategic thinking that it now seems is being put into action. Key being co-operation of Sunni tribes/peshmerga/YPG and the tactical importance of the places being targetted - with mosul as the big one.

Kurdish Strategy Emerges to Advance on ISIS-held Shingal

Barzani has just met with (sunni) shammar tribe boss. Doing this today seems a clear a) statement of priorities and b) gives weight to that thing going around that he has demanded 1/3 of representation in rojava cantons before applying pressure to help kobane c) Says has sent weapons and ammo. How can they get there? If 4 FSA groups managed to make it there and do damage across terrain the beardoes have stronger control of.

 

[Anudder Oik]

What is to be done with people who think they can come out openly in favour of ISIS on the streets of European cities?

A kurdish demo was attacked in Hamburg and protestors were injured. It kind of says that although only hundreds have gone to fight, these numbers are maybe just the tip of the iceburg.



It doesn't look good. The attack on the demo is appalling but the political fallout and consequential boost for the extreme right could be even worse.

 

[dweller]

What is to be done with people who think they can come out openly in favour of ISIS on the streets of European cities?

A kurdish demo was attacked in Hamburg and protestors were injured. It kind of says that although only hundreds have gone to fight, these numbers are maybe just the tip of the iceburg.



It doesn't look good. The attack on the demo is appalling but the political fallout and consequential boost for the extreme right could be even worse.

The ISIS glossy magazine Dabiq is attacking the Kurds as marxist secularists that deserve everything they get.
I hate to think that people are reading these magazines in Europe and acting on their pronouncements.
But are they really ISIS supporters or just Turkish thugs reacting to what is happening in Turkey?

 

[butchersapron]

They're not - it a group of chechen fundies and mates. Not just normal people.

What sort of circulation do you imagine Dabiq gets on say the newstands at tesco?

 

[MrSki]

 

[coley]

Hopefully they will stay there, six feet down.

 

[butchersapron]

The ISIS glossy magazine Dabiq is attacking the Kurds as marxist secularists that deserve everything they get.
I hate to think that people are reading these magazines in Europe and acting on their pronouncements.
But are they really ISIS supporters or just Turkish thugs reacting to what is happening in Turkey?

Talking of dabiq, this is from the new edition - this is not made up:

 

[J Ed]

These scum do not deserve to live

 

[J Ed]

Al-Qaeda terror financier worked for Qatari government

An al-Qaeda money man was employed by the Qatari government despite being officially designated a terrorist by the US.
Salim Hasan Khalifa Rashid al-Kuwari channelled hundreds of thousands of dollars to al-Qaeda through a terrorist network while working in the Gulf state’s Ministry of Interior.

The disclosure will add to the pressure being heaped on Qatar to do more to stop the financing of Islamist terrorists across the Middle East, as well as in Pakistan, Afghanistan and North Africa.

Qatar has been accused of either directly funding terrorist groups or turning a blind eye to financiers based there.

American sources have suggested Qatar, the world’s wealthiest country per head of population, has overtaken Saudi Arabia as the leading source of private donations to the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (Isil), as well as to al-Qaeda.

Will he be attending the world cup, I wonder?

 

[DotCommunist]

apparently the SAS have been sent to train kurdish fighters how to use a heavy machine gun. riiiight. Like they don't have the people who know. The SAS will be doing more thanthat- christ knows I've got no time for the states best trained killers but at this point the kurds need all the military aid they can get, we may not like the pkk et al but when they are all that stands between sex slaves and mass beheadings its time to help surely

 

[dweller]

Talking of dabiq, this is from the new edition - this is not made up:

I'd had a quick look at that edition ths afternoon whem I found out about it and it just turned my stomach.
My brain just cannot compute this stuff.