free spirit
more tea vicar?
Mail reckons it's the Yorkshire regiment doing the training, SAS in a more active role.
Also reporting 61 tonnes of weapons and ammunition being delivered, though to Irbil, rather than the Syrian Kurds.
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Also reporting 61 tonnes of weapons and ammunition being delivered, though to Irbil, rather than the Syrian Kurds.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
slight correction - its not the SAS, its a platoon from Support Coy, 2 Yorks. the Kurds do know how to use an HMG, but its less likely they've yet to use the particular HMG the UK has sent, and there's no chance whatsoever they've used the sighting systems they've been sent.
the new sighting/optics system is particularly good for indirect fire (pointing it up in the air), rather than just direct fire, this doubles their range...
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
cheers, I just can't help think that there will be a little more active involvement than 'sighting the new hmg for dummies'. What do you mean on indirect fire though? are you saying the gear auto-targets to compensate for human aiming frailties? uses info to do so (radar or whatever)?
free spirit
more tea vicar?
shoots in the air and arks to the target rather than point at the target directly.
Which does sound like a very useful skill to pass on to the Kurds if it doubles the range it can be used at.
Crispy
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Means treating the gun like artillery. Using the ballistic arc over long distances to hit targets not visible to the operator
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
guided munitions then or a gun that calculates and sets the arc-maths needed trigonometry?
It might seem callous to be asking such picayune mil. spec. definitions of guns but I want to know if this is a gesture or a real reinforcement.
free spirit
more tea vicar?
fuck knows, I've reached the limits of what I think I know on the subject.
butchersapron
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kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
its both. used correctly, and en-mass (though not neccesarily 40-odd HMG's all at the same time/place), this stuff could be spectacularly effective against anything that isn't a tank division, the likely outcome however is that it will be split up into penny packets to reinforce as many hard pressed Pesh units as possible (and lets not forget the intensly political nature of which units/sub-organisations get what..), and the new capability will be dituted across such a wide front that it looses all practical effect.
the amount of heavy/support weapons the Pesh+ need to dig IS out of their strong points is frightening - real, massed artillery (and we're talking about having to flatten, Stalingrad or Berlin-style, towns IS have turned into hubs and defensive positions), and hundreds and hundreds of anti-tank guided missile firing posts (plus several thousand missiles at $60,000+ a pop) to destroy their vehicles and small fixed positions like machine gun trenches. whether they'll get it is another matter...
there is an upside: IS is reported to have swollen massively with recruits from other organisations in Iraq and Syria precisely because they were seen as winners (remember the 'beating 20,000 Iraqi soldiers with 1300 bearded loons in Toyota's' thing?). as soon as they start to be seen as being on the uncomfortable end of a hard fight, these 'goal-hangers' are going to fcuk off sharpish. there will remain a (very) hard core, but this army of 30,000 or whatever the current estimate is is going to disappear into the night as soon as IS on a wide front is seriously challenged by resurgent Pesh/FSA/Iraqi Army.
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
least they can do when its highly probable theyve been training quite a few on the other side this past few years.
butchersapron
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Evidence us up.The same way you proved macain and met and gave Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi heap big money.
butchersapron
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coley
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Totally agree, but while the west has a duty to assist those Muslims who are trying to rectify the actions of their extremist brethren, this is a situation where only the Muslim nation, as a whole, can rectify and western 'boots on the ground' only gives the various religious factions (and I'm not just referring to the extremist religious nut jobs here,) the opportunity to point out their opponents are relying on the infidel, therefore destroying any credibility they may have enjoyed.
Oh bugger, if we just didn't need their oil
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Massively increased ISIS action tonight tmw - as soon as poss.
coley
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That's the most confused post I have ever read on here, and yet I can totally understand and sympathise with it
coley
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A few score of CG84mm, would even up the game, both sides seem to have ample stocks of HMGs
butchersapron
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Are both/either of you in a wider conversation? I think that are you.Try and involve others in that case. Might help the understanding or something.
coley
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But Turkey’s foreign minister said a corridor allowing weapons and volunteer fighters from Turkey to reach Ain al-Arab was unrealistic
Still a bunch of bastards.
coley
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Easily deployed AT, AP weapons, extremely useful in the current situation, a couple of hours instruction as opposed to the very expensive Milan system that is being currently imported.
butchersapron
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Ta - see - now others are involved - or at least can get it. More of this sort of stuff would be welcome - transport etc.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
...Oh bugger, if we just didn't need their oil
oil is a big player in this, but don't forget that these chods are one very pourous border away from the EU. this is not quite the barbarians at the gates, but it is the barbarians at the gates to our next door neighbours house.
without oil and gas, we would still be intensely interested in this fight.
coley
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Honestly? would we? you and I might, most on here would be, but the rest of the EU and the USA? If we didn't need the oil I think the EU would be erecting a wall that would put the iron curtain to shame.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
sorry, tyranny of the TLA...
with regards your above post about Incurlik, its potentially very significant - theoretically basing aircraft in Turkey rather than UAE or on carriers in the Gulf could produce 3 times more sorties over N Iraq/Syria, and each with more fuel to hang around looking for targets, and with more munitions to drop on those targets they see.
the caveat to that is what conditions the Turks put on its use - you'll remember they were talking about a 'no fly zone', despite no else flying there, well if they insist that aircraft using Incurlik police this no fly zone, it could negate the above advantages by forcing the aircraft to carry air-to-air missiles as well as bombs, eating up fuel...
i think this gift horse has very bad teeth - and noxious wind..
butchersapron
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What are the coulds vs we are ?
hot air baboon
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..anti-tank / anti-personnel...?
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
Totally agree, but while the west has a duty to assist those Muslims who are trying to rectify the actions of their extremist brethren, this is a situation where only the Muslim nation, as a whole, can rectify and western 'boots on the ground' only gives the various religious factions (and I'm not just referring to the extremist religious nut jobs here,) the opportunity to point out their opponents are relying on the infidel, therefore destroying any credibility they may have enjoyed.
Oh bugger, if we just didn't need their oil
its other Muslims who are the primary target of these bastards..not the west . And the western powers are just as heavily implicated in their rise as their Saudi Qatar and Turkish sponsors . The only people n Syria who will defeat these scum in Syria is the Syrian state itself. Thats inescapable. Assad has not fallen and will not fall and only he possesses the forces capable of effectively confronting them and driving them out . The kurds dont and therefore wont. Whatever assistance being provided to them is just for pr purposes..to take the bad look of who and what the west actually had been supporting for years.
Time for the west to abandon its fantasy of non existent moderates ....the very people who kidnapped the beheaded westerners in the first place and sold them on to the loonies along with western supplied equipment..and who have now largely aligned with them . Theyre an illusion ...they dont exist except on paper in any meaningful sense and wont.
if they want to stop these scum then Assad wll have to be engaged with . Thats so glaringly obvious the question needs asked do the western powers actually want to stop them in Syria any more than their regional allies...who obviously dont despite the rhetoric.
butchersapron
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Told you. More barrel bombs, more mass rapes, that 200 000 dead regime will stop the 500 dead. Support assad.
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
he knows very well a no fly zone wll result in military confrontation with Syrian forces and possibly a major war which he hopes will unseat Assad . And if that were to happen theyd take over Syria and Lebanon too . A price worth paying for an Erdogan not happy with a future of constantly looking over his shoulder waiting for Bashars revenge after his gamble failed . Basically hes using the Syrian Kurds as hostages n an attempt to save his own miserable skin. And hes happy yet another autonomous Kurdish zone on hs border is being obliterated. Win win for him either way .
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
in that case, don't link to sites like that one. Hold yourself to the high standards you hold others to on here.
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