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http://highline.huffingtonpost.com/articles/en/mothers-of-isis/

An article about women whose kids go to join ISIS :(. In the unlikely event that any potential jihadis are reading this, please dont go as your family will be devastated.

In Copenhagen, Karolina Dam was wild with fear. Her son Lukas had been in Syria for seven months. Three days earlier, she received word that he had been injured outside Aleppo, but she was convinced that he was dead. Sitting alone that evening, nervously puffing on a vaporizer, she couldn’t stop herself from sending a Viber message into the ether. “Lukas,” she wrote, “I love you so much my beloved son. I miss you and want to hug and smell you. Hold your soft hands in mine and smile at you.”

There was no reply. A month later, someone wrote back to her. It wasn’t Lukas.

"What about my hands hehe" 1

Dam had no idea who might have gained access to her son’s phone or Viber account, but she was desperate for information. Trying to stay calm, she wrote back: “Also yours, sweetie, but mostly Lukas’s.”

The person asked, “Can you handle some news?”

“Yeah, honey,” Dam wrote. A few seconds, and then the response.

“Your son is in bits and pieces.”
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In another message, she asks if he has seen any beheadings. “No,” he responds, “but I have seen the decapitated heads lying around.” This he punctuated with a smiley face. In late March, Ubaydullah Hussain, leader of the Prophet’s Umma, called Torill to tell her that Thom Alexander was dead.
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Its kind of hard to feel anything at the death of someone like that but i can understand that the mum would be devastated.
 
Pickman's model said:
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A bomb exploded next to the governor's office in Aden and killed four people on Thursday, witnesses said, as Islamic State militants claimed responsibility for a deadly raid on a Yemeni military post near the Saudi border.

No one claimed responsibility for the blast in Aden, the temporary seat of Yemen's administration while the Houthi group holds the capital, Sanaa.

An official said the governor was present but unhurt.

Hundreds of kilometers away in the Empty Quarter desert, a local official said unknown gunmen attacked a government military post in the Thamud district near Saudi Arabia, killing four soldiers.
 
It must be really hard for the parents of foreign fighters but i also kind of think that their parenting skills must be to blame to some extent somehow. Its kind of hard for me to feel sadness at the death of someone who says shit like 'yeah mum loads of severed heads lying around lol :)'
 
frogwoman said:
It must be really hard for the parents of foreign fighters but i also kind of think that their parenting skills must be to blame to some extent somehow.
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Sorry, thats a crap sentiment. Parents can't always control the influences over their children, and even well-meaning interventions can push the youth in the opposite direction.

Certainly that blame game will turn out to be accurate on occasion, but thats no excuse for painting those blame brushstrokes so broadly.
 
elbows said:
Sorry, thats a crap sentiment. Parents can't always control the influences over their children, and even well-meaning interventions can push the youth in the opposite direction.

Certainly that blame game will turn out to be accurate on occasion, but thats no excuse for painting those blame brushstrokes so broadly.
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yeah, you're right, im not at all saying it's entirely the parents' fault these kids go off to syria. I don't think they're entirely to blame and its more likely to be a combination of things (their environment at school etc) or the impact of things such as how society views muslims or circumstances beyond the parents' control. However how the parents behave is going to be a big feature in the child's life and in many cases it's going to have an impact. (And as you say, interventions, however well meaning, are often going to push people in the wrong direction). But i was thinking of cases like this one where she was brought up in a really strict environment, not allowed to go out and talk to men etc...

http://www.buzzfeed.com/ellievhall/gone-girl-an-interview-with-an-american-in-isis
 
http://www.buzzfeed.com/ellievhall/woman-journey-from-chattanooga-to-isis#.raq1vd01ox

This is another, very odd story. (Although im not sure the parents - or anyone) can be blamed in this case

I have known a few people like this, but fortunately they never discovered isis


Friends said Ariel defined herself through her relationships. “Not to throw her under the bus or anything, but she was definitely always looking for love, always looking for that sense of belonging,” said a friend who lived with Ariel in 2010 and part of 2011.

“The thing about Ariel that was just so weird was that she had such a clearly segmented life,” said a female friend who dated one of Ariel’s housemates in 2009. “It was like, when I first met her she was a Christian, and then she was a socialist, and then she was an atheist, and then a Muslim. As far as I could tell it was always in relation to whatever guy she was interested in, so if she meets a guy that’s an atheist then she’s an atheist, falls into that for a year. Then the guy leaves and she meets somebody new, and it starts all over again.”
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Indeed, I find it hard to believe than the parents in these situations didn't contribute to the situation in some way, even if at the level of being totally unaware of what was going on or turning a blind eye.
 
frogwoman said:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/ellievhall/woman-journey-from-chattanooga-to-isis#.raq1vd01ox

This is another, very odd story. (Although im not sure the parents - or anyone) can be blamed in this case

I have known a few people like this, but fortunately they never discovered isis
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Fuck, that's a horrible story. And how much of things like this can be put down to people being mentally unstable, or suffering from some issues that need resolving? Not wanting to blame that or take their agency away, but it is really, really odd IMO, especially this jumping from ideology to ideology until they feel 'at home' somewhere. It's really sad.
 
LynnDoyleCooper said:
Fuck, that's a horrible story. And how much of things like this can be put down to people being mentally unstable, or suffering from some issues that need resolving? Not wanting to blame that or take their agency away, but it is really, really odd IMO, especially this jumping from ideology to ideology until they feel 'at home' somewhere. It's really sad.
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you don't have to be mad to join daesh but it helps
 
Parents bear some responsibility sometimes, I just don't like it as a sweeping generalisation. Especially as I doubt the real solutions lie in that direction, as opposed to things like our shitty foreign policies and amazing double-standards.
 
elbows said:
Parents bear some responsibility sometimes, I just don't like it as a sweeping generalisation. Especially as I doubt the real solutions lie in that direction, as opposed to things like our shitty foreign policies and amazing double-standards.
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Yes i agree. Sorry if it came across that way.
 
And I'm sorry that I'm going to be a bit picky about some of these sentiments. It's in great part because of the ability of the 'war on terror' to become a self-fulfilling prophesy with all sorts of unpleasant feedback loops.
 
Yup especially since the internet and mass migration now means that you can speak to people worldwide that share your views or some sort of characteristic whether that's 'the glorious white race' 'the ummah' 'am yisrael' or even 'the international working class' for that matter. and feel more connected to them than people who live in your street. Not saying thats always a bad thing as its opened a lot of opportunities up for progressive politics as well, but its one of the consequences of deterritorialism and globalisation imo
 
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