The Islamic state
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Batboy
Trumpeting is good for you...
Crocodiles in the lake?
I did say I shouldn't have worries.
I know there have been no issues here... yet.
Islam is second fiddle to Christianity in Malawi, just as it is in Kenya. But Kenya has had its problems and it just seems Malawi is a soft target and poverty being a main seed of religious terrorism/extremism. I really hope nothing happens there and I am weighing it up to go there. So we will see.
JHE
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1. I see no reason to think that Turkish Islamists unconstrained would stop short of the imposition of Sharia.
2. Anti-capitalist Islamism among the Arabs? Really? I guess you are operating with a rather eccentric definition of capitalism.
teqniq
DisMembered
I suppose this will come as no big surprise to many
Secret Pentagon report reveals West saw ISIS as strategic asset
Secret Pentagon report reveals West saw ISIS as strategic asset
Batboy
Trumpeting is good for you...
Did find this... clearly there are religious tensions in Malawi. So I am wrong to say there are no issues yet.
Muslims in the Central African state of Malawi, west of Lake Tanganyika, are living in constant fear of violence from armed Christian fanatics who have already destroyed scores of mosques and killed dozens of people throughout the country. During the last five months, at least 20 mosques have been torched or razed to the ground by anti-Muslim gangs.
The religious tensions are attributed to the country's president, Dr Bakili Muluzi, nominally a Muslim, who won elections in June which the opposition considered to have been rigged. Dr Muluzi is already emerging as one of the most corrupt leaders in the continent, in one of the poorest countries in the world.
No official figures are available for the numbers of followers of the various religions in Malawi. Catholics claim that they are the largest group, comprising an estimated 35 percent of the country's 10 million people. However, the Muslim Association of Malawi (MAM) claims that the Muslims are the majority, with a community of 4.8 million. This figure - supported by some independent agencies - is disputed by opposition politicians. What is not disputed is that until a few years ago, Malawi was a Muslim country.
This betrays an alarming demographic trend in Africa, once an overwhelmingly Muslim continent. A policy of aggressive Christian proselytising, aimed not only at converting African Muslims to Christianity but also at "diluting the Muslim identity" of those who do not actually convert, has lead to a major shift in the numbers of people who identify themselves as Muslims.
As a result, Malawi might actually be the first country in Africa to change from being a Muslim one to a "Christian" one. The situation is even more paradoxical if you consider that when the country had a clear Muslim majority (for most of the 1960s and 1970s) it was led by one of the most eccentric and Christianized president in the continent: now it is in danger of becoming 'Christian' it is lead by a 'Muslim'!
and then there is this.
A mission church was burned on September 26 in the area south of Lake Malawi, reports a church leader who fears recriminations if he and his church are identified. Local authorities have no suspects in the attack. The church leader suspects anti-Christian fanatics to be responsible for the incident. The unoccupied church was set alight late in the evening, and the wood-grass constructed building burned quickly. The church had been operating in this largely Muslim area for several years and is largely composed of converts from a Muslim background. Since the events of September 11, threats against the Christians in the area dramatically increased. Rev. Abusa Wedja, pastor of an Assemblies of God church, confirmed that churches active in evangelism in this region become targets, especially when there is strong anti-Christian feeling. \"We can only put our hope and faith in God, that He will fight for us and protect us as we continue to witness to the people here,\" he said.
I realise that these events were some time back, but you can't help feeling that with the current shit going on that things could get worse.
Muslims in the Central African state of Malawi, west of Lake Tanganyika, are living in constant fear of violence from armed Christian fanatics who have already destroyed scores of mosques and killed dozens of people throughout the country. During the last five months, at least 20 mosques have been torched or razed to the ground by anti-Muslim gangs.
The religious tensions are attributed to the country's president, Dr Bakili Muluzi, nominally a Muslim, who won elections in June which the opposition considered to have been rigged. Dr Muluzi is already emerging as one of the most corrupt leaders in the continent, in one of the poorest countries in the world.
No official figures are available for the numbers of followers of the various religions in Malawi. Catholics claim that they are the largest group, comprising an estimated 35 percent of the country's 10 million people. However, the Muslim Association of Malawi (MAM) claims that the Muslims are the majority, with a community of 4.8 million. This figure - supported by some independent agencies - is disputed by opposition politicians. What is not disputed is that until a few years ago, Malawi was a Muslim country.
This betrays an alarming demographic trend in Africa, once an overwhelmingly Muslim continent. A policy of aggressive Christian proselytising, aimed not only at converting African Muslims to Christianity but also at "diluting the Muslim identity" of those who do not actually convert, has lead to a major shift in the numbers of people who identify themselves as Muslims.
As a result, Malawi might actually be the first country in Africa to change from being a Muslim one to a "Christian" one. The situation is even more paradoxical if you consider that when the country had a clear Muslim majority (for most of the 1960s and 1970s) it was led by one of the most eccentric and Christianized president in the continent: now it is in danger of becoming 'Christian' it is lead by a 'Muslim'!
and then there is this.
A mission church was burned on September 26 in the area south of Lake Malawi, reports a church leader who fears recriminations if he and his church are identified. Local authorities have no suspects in the attack. The church leader suspects anti-Christian fanatics to be responsible for the incident. The unoccupied church was set alight late in the evening, and the wood-grass constructed building burned quickly. The church had been operating in this largely Muslim area for several years and is largely composed of converts from a Muslim background. Since the events of September 11, threats against the Christians in the area dramatically increased. Rev. Abusa Wedja, pastor of an Assemblies of God church, confirmed that churches active in evangelism in this region become targets, especially when there is strong anti-Christian feeling. \"We can only put our hope and faith in God, that He will fight for us and protect us as we continue to witness to the people here,\" he said.
I realise that these events were some time back, but you can't help feeling that with the current shit going on that things could get worse.
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
That's actually quite terrifying. As bad as Assad is... fuck, I don't know how to end that sentence. I don't like any of these cunts, but the prospect of IS actually becoming an established state, is too much to contemplate.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
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Maurice Picarda
Actually, might as well flounce.
Not doing too well in Iraq though - they'd probably rather have Tikrit back than Palmyra.
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
That would be a bit odd for an Iraqi kurd who seems to be glamourising the peshmerga and calling for independence from Iraq .
IS does not have the internal dynamics to operate as a state.
Taxes, utilities, public health, social welfare, law and order - none of these are available as far as I understand.
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
they have a very specific legal code you might have heard of D
They are of the Hanbali school I think but to pretend that they are anything more than quasi-psychopathic, at least in the higher ranks, murderers is fairly dumb.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Non persistent agent then which will rapidly break down in the heatLots of different chemical agents bound to be something ideal for this.
Tabun.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
they need someone with your unparalleled qualifications.
We've been reading/hearing this for sever months now but they just keep advancing. Lack of public services in the area they control must mean the locals just make do as best they can. My speculation is the people they have power over put up with this because they hate & fear the Shia & see IS as their protector. IS does seem to provide their own brutal version of law and order though. We may be seeing a new type of state being formed based almost entirely on religious fanaticism & terror.
teqniq
DisMembered
I would have thought that your petty vindictiveness would make you a better fit.
You're a librarian, aren't you? Death to those who return books too late!
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
They certainly imposes taxes on commercial activities and people (jizya) in areas they control.
I imagine there will be an ISIS bond issue at some point - there will be no lack of buyers.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i'd rather be petty and vindictive than an effete and ineffectual fraud.
Don't be so coy you tease.
Evidently you are perfectly well suited for both roles.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
well suited? aye, and well suited for more besides. but i choose not to play them. you by contrast have adopted just one role, that of effete and ineffectual fraud, which you fill to perfection.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yes. but you're imposing constraints here, when JHE said "unconstrained".
They're already as unconstrained as they'll ever be.
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
They've even got their own currency , gold , silver and copper coinage . Number plates , rudimentary health services etc . Bakeries ..that sort of stuff . They seem to be able to operate infrastructure like power plants and the like Up to a point . Bit hard to keep services going in a country with socialist aspects to its economy like Syria . As it means many services and the like are state run , which means in turn you regard the people who know how to run it as apostates and enemies . And tend to chop most of their heads off . Especially if they're women . Or christian , Shia etc .
their propaganda makes regular global appeals for Muslims with medical and technical qualifications to make their way to their territory .
But ultimately they probably reckon Allah will fix it if it breaks .
Apparently the Saudis don't officially fund them any more . Now that prince bandar is out of a job . The other slightly less ambitious al Qaeda faction are today's preferred option for the anti Assad coalition of states .
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
Yes they are .
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