Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
the 'don't bomb - isis prisoners' sign on the roof being more a bomb magnet than otherwise.
The Islamic state
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Maurice Picarda
Actually, might as well flounce.
I was trying to explain IS to a nine-year-old yesterday, and the best explanation I could come up with for why there hasn't been a concerted international effort to destroy the ringleaders and their infrastructure, was the absolute impossibility of consensus about what shape and form nation-building in Syria and Iraq would take afterwards.
People who are following this stuff and understand it, is that more or less right?
People who are following this stuff and understand it, is that more or less right?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i think the consensus is 'not what we did following 2003', although as you say that does leave the canvas fairly blank.
newbie
undisambiguated
late I know, but Phil has contributed far, far more to this thread than PM.
Silencing him is wrong, and simply encourages those who are apparently incapable of coexisting on the same thread as him without playing to the gallery with childish insults.
Maurice Picarda
Actually, might as well flounce.
Also, there are more shades of religious and political opinion represented among people who have had enough of IS than there were among the soi-disant coalition of the willing in 2003.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh but that's not the point as the people who pay the piper for the rebuilding likely to be the same as the auld willing lot in 2003. so it's all fucked.
Maurice Picarda
Actually, might as well flounce.
Which is about as reasonable a summary of it all as Regan has a right to expect.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
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teqniq
DisMembered
Video interview, haven't watched yet but anyway...
Exposing ISIS: Activists Risk Death to Track Extremists
Exposing ISIS: Activists Risk Death to Track Extremists
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
so what if you had. bovvered.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i've never been much good at making effigies
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
likesfish
You can't park here sir
syria was split on tribal/ethnic lines before the civil war when IS vanishes its not going to be in a great state.
Going from a tyranny to a functioning state is hard even harder when the basic concepts like rule of law the nation state idenity.
Putting germany back together cost $$$$$$$$$ planing started in 43 and involved a massive occupation force.
Syria no plans
Zero willing occupiers
Ethnic/tribal splits no hisotry of rule of law or nationality
Prognosis get as far away as possible.
Going from a tyranny to a functioning state is hard even harder when the basic concepts like rule of law the nation state idenity.
Putting germany back together cost $$$$$$$$$ planing started in 43 and involved a massive occupation force.
Syria no plans
Zero willing occupiers
Ethnic/tribal splits no hisotry of rule of law or nationality
Prognosis get as far away as possible.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
I think he's confusing you with another Class War-associated Urbanite. Another Urbanite, unsurprisingly enough, who also holds him in contempt.
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
Was PZ ever on this forum?
Heh.
/derail
Heh.
/derail
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Because he's a cunt, for whom everything but satisfying his own desires is irrelevant?
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
https://disillusionedmarxist.wordpress.com/2015/02/07/trying-to-make-sense-of-isis-i/
A post I just wrote. Gonna add pics etc when im home
A post I just wrote. Gonna add pics etc when im home
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Info on squabbling around Sinjar:
Kurdish rivalry delays victory in Sinjar
The incomplete Sinjar operation lowered the credibility of the KDP among the Yazidis. Subsequently, an argument erupted about giving Sinjar area the status of canton.
Barzani’s KDP feared that a canton might be an alternative to the existing structure, under PKK guidance, and vehemently opposed the idea. The Yazidis, on the other hand, insisted on self-governance and their own defense forces to prevent further massacres.
On Jan. 14-15, 210 Yazidi notables met at the Sinjar Mountains and declared the establishment of a constituent assembly, whose current 27 members will total 80 after the refugees return.
Yazidi self-governance and self-defense demands go back to 2004-2005, when non-KDP Kurdish movements had approved of giving priority to the Kurdish identity of the Yazidis. In three meetings held in Mosul, the consensus was that unless the Yazidis organize their own governance and self-defense, massacres would repeat. This led to the formation of the Yazidi Democratic Movement (TEVDA) in 2005 to follow up on the demands, and the PKK had considerable influence on this process. The Yazidis wanted US weapons assistance. The newspapers Ki Tigris and Saniye Spi were established with US funding. The KDP intelligence service that perceived these activities as threats sent warning messages to the Yazidi delegates and even detained some them.
Today, the KDP strongly condemns the self-governance decision and is holding the PKK responsible for the developments. Sociologist Azad Baris, leader of the Yazidi Cultural Foundation and a delegate to the meetings, told Al-Monitor, “The PKK was involved but did not lead the way as it did in 2004-2005. Among the participants were known Yazidi names from the Kurdish Patriotic Union, Yazidi Communist Party, Progressive Yazidi Party, European Yazidi Federation and Yazidi Cultural Foundation. Their aim is to give Sinjar autonomous status and build administrative bodies with the help of Kurdish actors. Nobody even mentioned a canton or an independent entity. Yazidis know they are at the point of no return. Anyone who stands against this current cannot be our friend, no matter what his name, race and ideology may be. After this point, we will never accept domination by anyone. The KDP [Barzani] has to understand that old ways will not work any longer. Nobody wants the KDP. If one day our refugees return and elections are held, the PKK will gain more than 70% of the vote.”
An official of the HPG force at Mount Sinjar told Al-Monitor about the problems with the KDP. "Kurdistan military officials don’t want a second armed force to emerge under PKK control. They told us, ‘If we don’t lead the liberation operation and if you don’t behave as guests, we won’t enter into a joint operation with you.' In fact, dialogue between the groups fighting is excellent but politicians are preventing joint action.”
Kurdish rivalry delays victory in Sinjar
The incomplete Sinjar operation lowered the credibility of the KDP among the Yazidis. Subsequently, an argument erupted about giving Sinjar area the status of canton.
Barzani’s KDP feared that a canton might be an alternative to the existing structure, under PKK guidance, and vehemently opposed the idea. The Yazidis, on the other hand, insisted on self-governance and their own defense forces to prevent further massacres.
On Jan. 14-15, 210 Yazidi notables met at the Sinjar Mountains and declared the establishment of a constituent assembly, whose current 27 members will total 80 after the refugees return.
Yazidi self-governance and self-defense demands go back to 2004-2005, when non-KDP Kurdish movements had approved of giving priority to the Kurdish identity of the Yazidis. In three meetings held in Mosul, the consensus was that unless the Yazidis organize their own governance and self-defense, massacres would repeat. This led to the formation of the Yazidi Democratic Movement (TEVDA) in 2005 to follow up on the demands, and the PKK had considerable influence on this process. The Yazidis wanted US weapons assistance. The newspapers Ki Tigris and Saniye Spi were established with US funding. The KDP intelligence service that perceived these activities as threats sent warning messages to the Yazidi delegates and even detained some them.
Today, the KDP strongly condemns the self-governance decision and is holding the PKK responsible for the developments. Sociologist Azad Baris, leader of the Yazidi Cultural Foundation and a delegate to the meetings, told Al-Monitor, “The PKK was involved but did not lead the way as it did in 2004-2005. Among the participants were known Yazidi names from the Kurdish Patriotic Union, Yazidi Communist Party, Progressive Yazidi Party, European Yazidi Federation and Yazidi Cultural Foundation. Their aim is to give Sinjar autonomous status and build administrative bodies with the help of Kurdish actors. Nobody even mentioned a canton or an independent entity. Yazidis know they are at the point of no return. Anyone who stands against this current cannot be our friend, no matter what his name, race and ideology may be. After this point, we will never accept domination by anyone. The KDP [Barzani] has to understand that old ways will not work any longer. Nobody wants the KDP. If one day our refugees return and elections are held, the PKK will gain more than 70% of the vote.”
An official of the HPG force at Mount Sinjar told Al-Monitor about the problems with the KDP. "Kurdistan military officials don’t want a second armed force to emerge under PKK control. They told us, ‘If we don’t lead the liberation operation and if you don’t behave as guests, we won’t enter into a joint operation with you.' In fact, dialogue between the groups fighting is excellent but politicians are preventing joint action.”
Geri
wasn't born to follow
You an unbeliever ask me to decide who is a Muslim or not?
Do one.
Site is infested with Islamophobes and trolls.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
So you want to denounce Muslims you don't like as being non-Muslim then get indignant and throw around accusations of Islamophobia when people ask you to clarify your position further. I think that you know that your actual position will not be very well received which is why you are behaving like this.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Just to remind people that the Turkish state (stepped up border shellings over weekend) is not the turkish people and turkish society is riven internally by class conflict as well and many of its workers are at war with the same state (indeed DISK has been the target of imprisonment/murder/shootings etc):
Turkish union mobilises thousands to rebuild Kobane
Note: that doesn't mean the union has 12 000 members, it has around 400 000 but that 12 000 members have signed up to help rebuild kobani.
Turkish union mobilises thousands to rebuild Kobane
Note: that doesn't mean the union has 12 000 members, it has around 400 000 but that 12 000 members have signed up to help rebuild kobani.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Doing a follow up to that piece about the origins of jihadism and its worldwide spread, and how it was ignored by western secutity services, and reasons for its popularity among some muslims, that have very very little to do with the actual content of the koran imo.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
May be on interest to you and the colonialism idea you were investigating - it's from Yassin al-Haj Saleh again (very useful archive of his stuff here) and it looks at the concepts of taghyeer (تغيير) and taghayur (تغيّر).
(Looks and sounds rather similar to negri's constituent power and constituted power/power as potentia and power as potestas)
gosub
~#
One less banker, a step in the right direction.
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