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The (Amir, Asif, Butt) Spot Fixing Trial

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Has anyone else been following this? I know we can't comment quite yet, but as the judge is finishing his summing up..

As the defence of each appears to be to blame the others, it seems unlikely, whatever the outcome, that the 3 will ever play in the same team again?

The prosecution summary involved 13 facts

"Fact number one: There is an old adage. There is no legitimate reason to bowl a no-ball.

"Fact two: Since May 2010, Butt receives texts from Mazhar Majeed and participated in phone conversations with Majeed on matters of fixing. Leave aside whether this is a "joke" or a "tester". He participated in conversations about corruption.

"Fact three: At 11pm on August 25 at the Copthorne Hotel, Majeed told (journalist Mazhar) Mahmood that on the following day these no-balls will happen. Mohammad Amir will bowl a no-ball on the first ball of the third over. He said Asif will bowl a no-ball on the sixth ball of the tenth over. He said Amir will bowl a further no-ball when he bowls round the wicket to the right-hander (Jonathan) Trott. He said the captain is in on it.

"Fact four: Due to adverse weather conditions the third no-ball was unable to be bowled.

"Fact five: Mohammad Amir was the least experienced and youngest one to bowl.

"Fact six: On the first ball of the third over, Mohammad Amir delivers a massive no-ball.

"Fact seven: Mohammad Asif is older and more experienced.

"Fact eight: Mohammad Asif bowls a clear no-ball on the sixth ball of the tenth over.

"Fact nine: (Statistician and prosecution witness David) Kendix has told us that there is nothing in the bowling history or pattern which would enable anyone to predict this would happen.

"Fact ten: On August 26 at 22.11, Majeed told Mahmood that the remaining no-ball will take place on Mohammad Amir's third full over (the next day) on the third ball.

"Fact 11: On August 27 Mohammad Amir is bowling with deadly accuracy and deadly control, the complete antipathies to bowing a no-ball.

"Fact 12: Just before that glaring no-ball, Amir is in conversation with Butt.

"Fact 13: Mohammad Amir bowls another no-ball.

Jafferjee continued, looking at the jury: "These are facts. Ask yourself, against that plain background, who needs to lie in this case? Majeed? Mahmood? Or Butt and Asif? People who commit offences and who are caught and brought to trial have a choice. They can either plead guilty, and get credit for pleading guilty, or they can plead not guilty," adding that those pleading not guilty either believe they have been wrongly charged or they are "trying to pull the wool over the eyes of a jury".
"In this case we have two defendants effectively turning on each other with a view to wriggle out of what each other has done."

The judge stated yesterday "You can proceed on the basis that Majeed and Amir were involved in the spot-fixing at Lord's, as all parties agree that is the case, but don't be concerned by their absence from this trial."
 
Haven't really been following it, but have no idea why there is even a trial happening at all - the evidence is so damning. Just kick them and Pakistan out of cricket for the foreseeable future. Job done.

The whole fucking side was in on it.

Pakistan can't even host cricket anymore due to their dodgy government so no great loss to the world game.
 
Haven't really been following it, but have no idea why there is even a trial happening at all - the evidence is so damning. Just kick them and Pakistan out of cricket for the foreseeable future. Job done.

The whole fucking side was in on it.

Pakistan can't even host cricket anymore due to their dodgy government so no great loss to the world game.

Yeah but that is down to the ICC. This is a criminal case being brought against the players as they may have broke the law when they were 'overstepping'. That'll teach them not to rip through our top order.
 
I don't have a problem commenting on their guilt. They did it. I feel let down by asif and butt and very sorry for amir. Not entirely unselfish on my part. Cricket needs stars like amir. I feel like we've been robbed of a star. Evryone loses :(
 
Incidentally - as much as I loathe plenty of what the News of the World got up to, there's definitely a vacuum now in terms of a certain style of investigative journalism. These guys would still be banking thousands if they hadnt been stung by the paper.
 
Verdict due today apparently (according to the ever lovely Aggers).. judge will accept majority. Am looking forward to finding out what a jury who don't know about cricket make of this..
 
The former Pakistan captain, Salman Butt, has been found guilty of conspiracy to cheat and accepting corrupt payments in the spot-fixing trial. Butt faces a maximum custodial sentence of seven years. The judge, Mr Justice Cook, is likely to hand down the sentencing on Thursday.

Mohammad Asif, the former world No2 bowler, has been found guilty of conspiracy to cheat but the jury was unable to reach a verdict on the charge of whether he accepted corrupt payments. The judge has sent the jury out to deliberate on that second charge.
 
I guess it'll be meant to be a deterrent? Or supposed to be. Previous cricket players got a life ban or a stain on their reputation (whereas I seem to recall Sheffield players in the 60s getting jail terms?). I imagine Butt will carry the can.. and challenge the decision? Or cough?

I guess the implications for the Amir and Majeed etc. will be made known when this trial is over or are they due up in court too?
 
Well it looks like they're likely to go easy on Amir, be harsh with Asif and throw the book at Butt. I still see no value to prison sentences. Extended community service yes, but prison serves no purpose here, imo.
 
Well it looks like they're likely to go easy on Amir, be harsh with Asif and throw the book at Butt. I still see no value to prison sentences. Extended community service yes, but prison serves no purpose here, imo.

Amir is apparently in court with Gareth Pierce http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gareth_Peirce

I'm sure I read somewhere the judge did not accept this was an isolated incident for any of the 3. All of which makes me think the going easy option isn't going to be taken for any of them. It seems so complicated (and with Peirce there) that an appeal must be inevitable? Unless they start coughing.

I see no value in prison sentences for them either, but I do if it helps clean up the game? Going easy as they have in the past hasn't acted as a deterrent.
 
I know this sounds like I'm making excuses, but Amir was only 18 at the time. He grew up in a small village, only visited a city for the first time in his teens, speaks virtually no English and has had little education. He came into the team and was told to do this by his captain and senior players. I am far more forgiving of him than Butt or Asif, for whom I can find few excuses.
 
I know this sounds like I'm making excuses, but Amir was only 18 at the time. He grew up in a small village, only visited a city for the first time in his teens, speaks virtually no English and has had little education.
Doesn't matter where you're from: cheating is cheating and when it's cheating for cash, then the excuses wear thin.
 
Doesn't matter where you're from: cheating is cheating and when it's cheating for cash, then the excuses wear thin.
A mostly illiterate boy asked to do this by the senior players. It does matter where you're from, imo. If he had been an Oxford-educated member of the Pakistani elite like Imran Khan, say, then I would think differently about him.
 
Does anyone know what the situation is with Mazhar Majeed? Or do we assume he has either plead guilty or is subject to a trial with reporting restrictions? Seems to be lots of talk about him being the ringleader etc

(i may have missed the relevant info in the press obv)
 
Does anyone know what the situation is with Mazhar Majeed? Or do we assume he has either plead guilty or is subject to a trial with reporting restrictions? Seems to be lots of talk about him being the ringleader etc

(i may have missed the relevant info in the press obv)

Not reported in the UK but reported abroad that he confessed? As with Amir, his non-appearance and from the reporting that you should assume he was involved, must mean there's been some admission on his part?
 
Not reported in the UK but reported abroad that he confessed? As with Amir, his non-appearance and from the reporting that you should assume he was involved, must mean there's been some admission on his part?

thats what i have been guessing, it seemed odd the presumed ring leader wasn't on trail as well.

just struck me as odd that when they said that Amir had pleaded guilty, no mention was made of Majeed as well.

time will tell i guess. maybe he's turned super grass!
 
So most of the rest of the team that played that day at Lords (most of whom are still playing) are also under deep suspicion.

Kick em out. It's endemic.
 
A mostly illiterate boy asked to do this by the senior players. It does matter where you're from, imo.
But we're talking about cricket, the national sport of Pakistan and the one that their country takes the most pride in. He would have known that cheating for cash was right out of the question.
 
Well it has to be said that Kamran Akmal's keeping is suspicious. Sad to say it, but it was always hard to fathom how he could be very good one day and simply hopeless the next. Then there was Haider his replacement going on the run after one match...

I hate saying this but yes, it would be naive in the extreme to think this was anything other than just a very small proportion of what they have done.
 
But we're talking about cricket, the national sport of Pakistan and the one that their country takes the most pride in. He would have known that cheating for cash was right out of the question.
Yes, he would have done. He himself has said that he was pressured into doing it, that he was told his career was at stake if he didn't. Now of course, the reverse was true - he could and should have held firm, even if it had meant leaving the team for a time. But it takes a sophisticated, worldly sense to take that kind of stand, and being an uneducated boy from the sticks is going to make it more easy to influence (intimidate) him. It's not irrelevant in any case, imo.
 
So most of the rest of the team that played that day at Lords (most of whom are still playing) are also under deep suspicion.

Kick em out. It's endemic.

Majeed said he said 7 players and they all played in the same test last year, but not all of them in the Sydney Test, which was supposed to be fixed. It would make you think then that to fix a Test there would be these 7 plus plus..

The ACSU have said they're going to investigate 2 of them, although if they don't have the resources to investigate Butt, Asif and Amir, I'm not sure how that's going to work..
 
Majeed said he said 7 players and they all played in the same test last year, but not all of them in the Sydney Test, which was supposed to be fixed. It would make you think then that to fix a Test there would be these 7 plus plus..

If it's shown that the Sydney Test was thrown, then I would have to regretfully agree with gabi that the whole nation should be thrown out of cricket for a period. It does seem very likely that it was thrown, though. :(
 
Twitter reporting that Majeed plead guilty some weeks ago as well, so thats my own question answered from earlier in the thread.

reporting restrictions just lifted, all in the dock together apparently.
 
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