SUVs make up more than 40% of new cars sold in the UK – while fully electric vehicles account for less than 2%
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I believe it's different in London, where I think editor lives. There pavement parking is banned, and there's been a big push, from Living Streets amongst others, to bring the rest of the country in line with the capital.
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The last few pages make for some confusing reading. Are we at peace with any and all cars being keyed if parked on the street even if parked legally and responsibly, as some replies to post #2834 suggest, or only those parked in an obstructive or illegal way? Some people don’t seem to be able to make their mind up on the matter.
editor
hiraethified
It's not a driveway and it's blocking the pavement so people in wheelchairs or people pushing prams have to walk into a busy A road. And you're defending that?
PTK
Paul Kegan
I see no dropped kerb; I see no driveway.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
No.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
It's your car isn't it?
Can't think of other any reason why anyone would defend such obviously shit and antisocial behaviour.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
I can see what I think is a dropped kerb (though it might be interesting to see whether that's a council dropped kerb, or some blokes with some concrete when the council aren't looking...), but it looks to me as if the pavement is blocked - but again, depends if its actually a pavement.
I think it's a driveway...
To me, that looks like very bad manners. No idea about legality...
I think it's a driveway...
To me, that looks like very bad manners. No idea about legality...
likesfish
You can't park here sir
Actually you have to park on your land and that looks like at least a 1/3rds on the pavement so council land if there was a double yellow line it would get a ticket.
But would have to be attached to the rear as we can’t enter private land to attach tickets.
As the “surredean road liberation front found out”
Resident whined about van dwellers so got a residents only permit scheme and discovered the access driveway on their nice green verges was council land and you can’t park there sir
. “But you were only meant to target the scumbags”
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
Nope not defending it at all however based on what I can see in the photo it's parked here
Which is clearly a driveway with a dropped kerb, If you want to argue it's selfish and inconsiderate then sure, happy to agree with you but illegal it isn't.
Unless as likesfish points out it's bum is blocking access behind it. Happy to bow to his superior knowledge
If it was my car Frank it must have been stolen that is 140 miles away from where I live
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Their land presumably starts at the fence line. A driveway crossing a pavement doesn’t give you the right to block it.
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
Yeah, pretty sure you just get a right of way across a pavement, it doesn't become your property. A right of way literally just means a right to move through it, not stop in it for as long as you fancy. That applies even if the section is paved by the private landowner with right of way (who paves it is probably agreed with the council, but it won't change ownership).
editor
hiraethified
So, let's get this straight. You're asserting that cars, vans and any other vehicle can completely block a pavement for as long as they like, so long as is a 'driveway,' even when the vehicle has absolutely nothing to do with the supposed 'owners' of the pavement?
You're talking utter shit but I guess that reflects your attitude towards the rights of pedestrians who you think should be forced into dangerous A roads.
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MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
Nope I'm asserting that the guy hasn't done anything illegal no matter how much he may have annoyed you. It's illegal to drive over pavements but he hasn't actually done so in this case. It's not illegal to park on pavements (I agree with you that it should be but it isn't). Unless there are parking restrictions there (and it doesn't look like it in either photo) the the guy (gender not necessarily assumed here) may be a selfish dick but he hasn't actually done anything that any action can be taken against him.
editor
hiraethified
Again: parking on the pavement is illegal in London.
Pavement Parking
Is it the beginning of the end for pavement parking? Get the latest on all our campaigns to reclaim our pavements.
www.livingstreets.org.uk
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
OK fair point so why didn't you report him?Again: parking on the pavement is illegal in London.
Pavement Parking
Is it the beginning of the end for pavement parking? Get the latest on all our campaigns to reclaim our pavements.
Silas Loom
Hated by both sides
I wonder why this isn’t enforced in my corner of Barnet. We have a Labour council now, so it can’t be a matter of ideological resistance against “woke wars on motorists”. Maybe it’s because there aren’t any other local parking regulations for CEOs to enforce? But they could make an absolute mint by skipping down our street ticketing any car with two wheels on the pavement.
likesfish any idea?
On another note, the London Councils information sheet that editor posted makes the good point that pavements can’t support the weight of cars. This is true. It also explains why pavement slabs are uneven and hazardous on roads which have lots of dropped kerbs and paved driveways.
As it’s not possible to magic away private parking, and cars are only going to get heavier as EVs become mainstream, councils should be able tax driveway owners and spend the proceeds on super-strong pavements that are as easy for wheelchair and mobility scooter users to glide on as the floors in airports and shopping centres.
likesfish any idea?
On another note, the London Councils information sheet that editor posted makes the good point that pavements can’t support the weight of cars. This is true. It also explains why pavement slabs are uneven and hazardous on roads which have lots of dropped kerbs and paved driveways.
As it’s not possible to magic away private parking, and cars are only going to get heavier as EVs become mainstream, councils should be able tax driveway owners and spend the proceeds on super-strong pavements that are as easy for wheelchair and mobility scooter users to glide on as the floors in airports and shopping centres.
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likesfish
You can't park here sir
Brighton unless your on the pavement behind double yellows bus stops or zig zags ( zig zags the council only recently realised they could enforce that. It was a glorious day when some people got a ticket they weren’t expecting
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It maybe the council hasn’t gone through the minute of parking regulations and hasn’t given new instructions. We constantly get told by delivery drivers and HGV drivers that we are a lot more reasonable than London CEOS
).It maybe the council hasn’t gone through the minute of parking regulations and hasn’t given new instructions. We constantly get told by delivery drivers and HGV drivers that we are a lot more reasonable than London CEOS
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
I am enjoying this:
www.theguardian.com
Monsters of the road: what should the UK do about SUVs?
They have higher emissions, hog roadspace and are more dangerous for other road users. Yet SUVs are selling better than ever. As calls for curbs increase, some people are taking matters into their own hands
editor
hiraethified
And here's why those shithawk cars should be taken off the roads:I am enjoying this:
Monsters of the road: what should the UK do about SUVs?
They have higher emissions, hog roadspace and are more dangerous for other road users. Yet SUVs are selling better than ever. As calls for curbs increase, some people are taking matters into their own hands
Chz
Stark Raving Sane
Data for those interested. FWIW, new car CO2 emissions are actually at their lowest ever but I don't feel that means a lot when BEVs are now 12% of the market so you can't easily prove anything off that data. The number of new cars exhausting 110-130g/km has gone up, but that's not massive SUVs, that's over 40MPG. There's a huge decline in sub-100g cars, but that's the death of diesel. Only the very smallest of petrol engines can achieve those numbers. Average CO2 emissions of the total UK passenger car fleet has gone down every year this century.
www.nimblefins.co.uk
Average CO2 Emissions per Car in the UK
Latest statistics on the average CO2 emissions per car in the UK, including figures for per year emissions.
InArduisFouette
Well-Known Member
and why SUVs and People carriers before were beloved by the Arthritic, those iwth cardio-respiratory sproblems that struggle to get up and down etc and by ambulatory disabled people
InArduisFouette
Well-Known Member
cousin's OH was an Agronomist , no reall need for van like carrying capacity as they had minions with vans or old skool Defender 90s to do small deliveries and collect samples for soil / crop labPeople buy Ford Predator-style pickup trucks because they get ludicrous tax benefits thanks to HMRC:
Double-cab pick-up truck tax explained | Auto Express
The inside line on HMRC’s VAT and Benefit-in-Kind tax rules for those using double-cab pick-ups as company vehicleswww.autoexpress.co.uk
had previously had audi quatros and subarus until the B-i-K tax break came in double cab pickups
editor
hiraethified
If only people stopped buying resource-heavy, over-engineered, over-sized, heavy vehicles and new car CO2 emissions would be reduced at a stroke.Data for those interested. FWIW, new car CO2 emissions are actually at their lowest ever but I don't feel that means a lot when BEVs are now 12% of the market so you can't easily prove anything off that data. The number of new cars exhausting 110-130g/km has gone up, but that's not massive SUVs, that's over 40MPG. There's a huge decline in sub-100g cars, but that's the death of diesel. Only the very smallest of petrol engines can achieve those numbers. Average CO2 emissions of the total UK passenger car fleet has gone down every year this century.
Average CO2 Emissions per Car in the UK
Latest statistics on the average CO2 emissions per car in the UK, including figures for per year emissions.
Most of the comments in the article you've linked to are people requesting sources for the data, which the author refuses to give (see comment #2)
editor
hiraethified
Here's some actual, sourced data which totally contradicts your claims.Data for those interested. FWIW, new car CO2 emissions are actually at their lowest ever but I don't feel that means a lot when BEVs are now 12% of the market so you can't easily prove anything off that data. The number of new cars exhausting 110-130g/km has gone up, but that's not massive SUVs, that's over 40MPG. There's a huge decline in sub-100g cars, but that's the death of diesel. Only the very smallest of petrol engines can achieve those numbers. Average CO2 emissions of the total UK passenger car fleet has gone down every year this century.
Average CO2 Emissions per Car in the UK
Latest statistics on the average CO2 emissions per car in the UK, including figures for per year emissions.
Chz
Stark Raving Sane
Absolutely true, but the trend seems to be that even people buying cars and not SUVs are buying larger, more powerful vehicles. A lot of that has to do with the minimal cost of a vehicle these days. Even the tiniest, wheeziest hatchback will run you up to £14k. The relative cost of upsizing is lower than it has ever been and people snatch the opportunity, even when they're not opting for an SUV. Any sort of solution needs to address this.
Edit: My source is more up to date than your source. New car emissions are at their lowest ever in recent data. However, I did grant that the surge in BEVs makes it very difficult to sort out how that breaks down.
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