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SUVs make up more than 40% of new cars sold in the UK – while fully electric vehicles account for less than 2%

Yes, that research was a small sample of OTR SUVs in the US, and the article even mentioned they didn't account for pedestrian safety measures on new cars in Europe like active bonnets.

Thanks to tech advances, a new SUV sold here is going to be much safer for pedestrians than most cars just a few years old.
In terms of new car sales, the only valid comparison between new SUVs is with other new cars. That they're safer than old cars is neither here nor there wrt making sensible new car choices for driving in urban environments.
 
In terms of new car sales, the only valid comparison between new SUVs is with other new cars. That they're safer than old cars is neither here nor there wrt making sensible new car choices for driving in urban environments.

I was commenting on a study which compared older SUVs to older cars. SUVs used to be less safe for pedestrians than cars of an equivalent age, but that gap has narrowed so the study is irrelevant when considering the purchase of a new vehicle.
 
Stats show that over 60% of journeys in the UK are made by a single driver without passengers. Given that cars are getting bigger - and therefore less fuel efficient against directly comparable smaller cars - and cities continue to struggle with congestion and high pollution levels, do people think this is acceptable?

 
All the stuff you hear about drivers of 'X' being bigger dickheads than drivers of 'Y' is nonsense and almost always selectively recalled or fabricated to suit whatever prejudice one is currently trying to support (see that preposterous claim upthread that drivers are 3% less likely to yield at crossings per $1000 they spend on their cars). In reality I suspect that percentage-wise, just as many twats drive Fords as Audis and estates as saloons. The exceptions are vehicles that have been retrofitted with styling mods, window tints, or aftermarket exhaust systems, all of which are sure signs of a fucktoad within.
It's the findings of a study, not a claim I made.
 
I was commenting on a study which compared older SUVs to older cars. SUVs used to be less safe for pedestrians than cars of an equivalent age, but that gap has narrowed so the study is irrelevant when considering the purchase of a new vehicle.
Do you have any links to robust research demonstrating the effectiveness of the new systems to mitigate the problems of SUV weight, stiffness and shape? I've had a look and can't find any.
 
I'd rather have a single big car than several cars of different sizes from which I'd choose the most suitably sized and shaped one for each journey.

An argument against single-occupancy cars could equally apply to quarter-full buses or any other transport mode not stuffed to the rafters at all times.
 
Stats show that over 60% of journeys in the UK are made by a single driver without passengers. Given that cars are getting bigger - and therefore less fuel efficient against directly comparable smaller cars - and cities continue to struggle with congestion and high pollution levels, do people think this is acceptable?

atm, I see a mass of single-occupancy cars in London. People afraid of using public transport, no doubt. Certainly the relative bliss of the empty roads at the height of lockdown is long-gone.
 
Is this just for pedestrian safety or for safety in general you're after?
Pedestrian safety. But if you can provide some stats for occupant safety that might offset that, that would be fine. Ironically enough, SUVs can make their drivers feel nice and safe, but at the cost of extra danger for all the rest of us.
 
In a couple of conversations with SUV drivers, it does seem common for them to think that paying some money to ensure the person they collide with dies rather than them is the mark of a responsible parent as opposed to, say, a sociopath.

<oh shit, was trying to avoid voicing an actual opinion on this thread> :facepalm:
 
I'd rather have a single big car than several cars of different sizes from which I'd choose the most suitably sized and shaped one for each journey.

An argument against single-occupancy cars could equally apply to quarter-full buses or any other transport mode not stuffed to the rafters at all times.
Not true. Public transport may be quiet at particular times in the day across its service, but it is still providing for a social need at those times (one that many of those drivers could be taking advantage of, if they so chose). And outside special covid periods, regular public transport services that are mostly empty most of the time simply don't exist, or exist in tiny tiny tiny numbers, in case someone produces one obscure example from somewhere.
 
Is this just for pedestrian safety or for safety in general you're after?
I do hope these pedestrian safety stats also take into account the increased pollution that comes with all the extra bulk and weight when looked against directly comparable smaller cars because pollution is an even bigger killer than those railway suicides you were so obsessed about earlier.

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An argument against single-occupancy cars could equally apply to quarter-full buses or any other transport mode not stuffed to the rafters at all times.
Nope.

And to pit them against each other makes the kind of argument that would make Thatcher proud.

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A shocking stat:

A large car emits on average 85% more greenhouse gases per km than a small vehicle, according to figures from the UK government.

Transport emissions are still growing globally because of the growing appetite for SUVs over smaller vehicles, a trend which risks cancelling out the benefits switching to electric cars. A decade ago SUVs made up 17% of global yearly car sales, but now account for 39%. According to the International Energy Agency, this demand for larger cars was the second largest contributor to the increase in global CO2 emissions between 2010 and 2018.

“Not only are people driving more, but also the vehicles, unfortunately, aren't actually getting more carbon efficient,” says Heigh. “So that's a big problem.”
 
Well, yeah it could.
It's not a reason to chuck out any ideas aimed at reducing that element of inefficiency.
Sorry, is there a point here? The newer buses are vastly more efficient and less polluting while cars are getting bigger and heavier and contributing to a huge rise in CO2 emissions.
 
A shocking stat:

A large car emits on average 85% more greenhouse gases per km than a small vehicle, according to figures from the UK government.


What would your view on SUVs be if the infrastructure to make hybrids or full electric ones feasible?
 
Pedestrian safety. But if you can provide some stats for occupant safety that might offset that, that would be fine. Ironically enough, SUVs can make their drivers feel nice and safe, but at the cost of extra danger for all the rest of us.

There won't be any academic research for the newest cars yet, so this is the best info there is:


Then read the technical documents:


Then you can read the comments given in the test reports for individual vehicles.
 
What would your view on SUVs be if the infrastructure to make hybrids or full electric ones feasible?
I want fewer cars on the roads of all sizes, but clearly the bigger and heavier the car, the less efficient and more polluting it will be compared to smaller, similar cars, and I can't see how anyone can think that is a good idea.
 
I want fewer cars on the roads of all sizes, but clearly the bigger and heavier the car, the less efficient and polluting it will be compared to smaller cars, and I can't see how anyone can think that is a good idea.
No, not "clearly". An all-electric SUV would obviously produce less harmful emissions than a petrol Mini. If environmentally friendlier SUVs were practical and pushed by manufacturers then everybody wins, right?
 
Sorry, is there a point here? The newer buses are vastly more efficient and less polluting while cars are getting bigger and heavier and contributing to a huge rise in CO2 emissions.

My point is that the rule of efficiency vs. occupancy still applies whether transport is public or private. It would be perverse to suggest otherwise.
 
Also agree that promoting car-sharing would be great but realistically people like their own car/driving/music/route

Funny how that has become such a thing, and how it has meshed with the decline of hitchhiking.
People used to pick up strangers for a bit of company, now they won't pick up a colleague.
 
I want fewer cars on the roads of all sizes, but clearly the bigger and heavier the car, the less efficient and more polluting it will be compared to smaller, similar cars, and I can't see how anyone can think that is a good idea.

A shame fully electric cars are bigger and heavier than their fossil fuel equiavelents due to all the batteries then isn't it.
 
My point is that the rule of efficiency vs. occupancy still applies whether transport is public or private. It would be perverse to suggest otherwise.
Yes, but in case you hadn't noticed, public transport is getting more efficient while private transport is getting less efficient because of the huge rise in larger, heavier vehicles which has proven to be the second largest contributor to the increase in global CO2 emissions between 2010 and 2018.
 
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