Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
It would certainly be irresponsible not to consider the safety of your family when purchasing a car.
SUVs make up more than 40% of new cars sold in the UK – while fully electric vehicles account for less than 2%
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Little Piranha
Small or far away?
Ew, audis.
There are some really interesting studies linking car cost to aggressive and dangerous driving. One study found that for every $1000 dollars spent the driver became 3% less likely to yield at cross walks.
There are some really interesting studies linking car cost to aggressive and dangerous driving. One study found that for every $1000 dollars spent the driver became 3% less likely to yield at cross walks.
Little Piranha
Small or far away?
Sure, don't buy an old banger with no MOT.
Looby
Well-Known Member
I really don’t understand why people drive like dicks but it’s certainly not limited to SUV drivers.
I do think that the more expensive the car, the more likely the person driving it is an aggressive twat.
As for reasons for having an SUV (a small one).
I needed a car with more space for my dogs to go in the boot but couldn’t have a much larger car on my drive. Any longer and it would be hanging over the pavement so an estate was out and I don’t like them anyway.
I wanted a higher driving position because of an injury which causes me pain. I have to drive for my job and I need to be comfortable. I was in constant pain in my lower down manual car.
I also need a car that is large enough to do my job and colleagues with smaller cars sometimes struggle.
I don’t have my car for any status, because I think I’m better than anyone else (if that was the case I’d have an Audi), or because I don’t respect other drivers or pedestrians.
This thread would do a lot better and there would be more constructive discussion if the focus really was on the environmental impact of driving but it’s not, it’s about bashing so called status cars, speeding drivers, aggressive drivers, driving in cities and all sorts of other nonsense I really don’t understand.
No wonder it’s mostly the usual suspects posting and everyone else is giving it a wide berth, it’s so fucking tedious.
I do think that the more expensive the car, the more likely the person driving it is an aggressive twat.
As for reasons for having an SUV (a small one).
I needed a car with more space for my dogs to go in the boot but couldn’t have a much larger car on my drive. Any longer and it would be hanging over the pavement so an estate was out and I don’t like them anyway.
I wanted a higher driving position because of an injury which causes me pain. I have to drive for my job and I need to be comfortable. I was in constant pain in my lower down manual car.
I also need a car that is large enough to do my job and colleagues with smaller cars sometimes struggle.
I don’t have my car for any status, because I think I’m better than anyone else (if that was the case I’d have an Audi), or because I don’t respect other drivers or pedestrians.
This thread would do a lot better and there would be more constructive discussion if the focus really was on the environmental impact of driving but it’s not, it’s about bashing so called status cars, speeding drivers, aggressive drivers, driving in cities and all sorts of other nonsense I really don’t understand.
No wonder it’s mostly the usual suspects posting and everyone else is giving it a wide berth, it’s so fucking tedious.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Did you even look at the figures I posted? They don't mention old bangers with no MOT. They're talking about 1 - 3 year old vehicles.
Little Piranha
Small or far away?
Yes, I did look, I wasn't referring to the table. I'm saying it's irresponsible to buy a dangerous car. It's not irresponsible to not buy an extremely expensive car that's worse for the environment, other drivers and pedestrians.
Well that's me convinced.
These threads are never about being constructive. They're trolls.
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hiraethified
What do you desperately need this extra protection from? Your own dangerous driving?
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Other people's dangerous driving, and pedestrians walking into the road playing Pokemon Go.
Possibly the thousands of articulated lorries on the roads because people won’t stop consuming.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
And that.Possibly the thousands of articulated lorries on the roads because people won’t stop consuming.
Athos
Well-Known Member
Of course. They're expensive, so more likely to be driven by thrusting, powerful go-getters (with enough money to keep their family safe), whereas effete underachievers can't afford one (and so are often found pottering along on a pushbike).
Doodler
You're quite nice when you smile
Power corrupts.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
YouTube dashcam footage disagrees. The biggest mouth breathers are invariably people in small hatchbacks who throw their cars onto mini-roundabouts in front of others, leaning on their horns and shouting "give way you cuuuunt".
sparkybird
ask the bird...
Sorry but your argument doesn't stack up. ANY new car sold is going to be safer than an old one due to tech advances, not just SUV's.
I do wonder though how on earth did we manage in the days before SUVs???
The low cost of leasing a car now means that they are within reach of more people, so for many they are just a status symbol.
maomao
普費斯
I may be an underachiever on a pushbike but I'm not fucking 'effete'.
hash tag
Books, not bombs
Sounds like knife crime; I need a knife because other people have got them.
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SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
According to some posters on this thread we should absolutely be living according to the principle of, 'I'm alright, fuck everyone and everything else'.
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beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Yes, this is an issue. However, I’d still rather people store their cars on their own property over blocking pavements and streets. The idea that we can just dump cars anywhere and everywhere has to change, both at home and when out and about.And that top pic has my other pet hate: gardens ripped up to replaced by vast swathes of concrete for the precious cars, causing flash foods for poor sods down the street.
Why concrete + rain = flash floods
Weatherwatch: Britain’s front gardens are being paved for parking while back gardens become patios. But in Canada and the US, the Depave movement is tearing up hard surfaceswww.theguardian.com
Yet again though, this comes down to it being a problem with the number of cars out there, not what type they are.
mauvais
on reddit or something
Surprisingly on this thread editor is right about something car-related, more so than the people defending massive cars.
The safety stuff is mostly a load of bollocks. City cars like a Fiat 500 are pretty safe if in collision with another similarly sized vehicle or the environment. Whilst they're obviously bigger than an original 500 they're not exactly massive. Safety engineering added size and weight to the basic package of a car but isn't responsible for most of the increase as we see it today. Most of that is from customer comfort. Besides, many of our SUVs are just big fat bodies on a tiny platform; the Juke is a Micra.
Look at America from where our SUV trend originates. They're now all buying either SUVs or even worse fucking massive crew-cab pickup trucks, so much so that manufacturers have given up on traditional European sized cars like the Focus, never mind small ones which were never a success in the US. And that ill wind will cause the same here before long - the product of both normalisation and an arms race.
Vehicles much bigger than the meaningful need is a really bad thing for society - individualism literally writ large. It's bad for road safety, the environment and just basic everyday stuff like visibility or parking for people who don't play the same game. I hope it all fucks off and we learn to accept smaller cars again but probably not.
The safety stuff is mostly a load of bollocks. City cars like a Fiat 500 are pretty safe if in collision with another similarly sized vehicle or the environment. Whilst they're obviously bigger than an original 500 they're not exactly massive. Safety engineering added size and weight to the basic package of a car but isn't responsible for most of the increase as we see it today. Most of that is from customer comfort. Besides, many of our SUVs are just big fat bodies on a tiny platform; the Juke is a Micra.
Look at America from where our SUV trend originates. They're now all buying either SUVs or even worse fucking massive crew-cab pickup trucks, so much so that manufacturers have given up on traditional European sized cars like the Focus, never mind small ones which were never a success in the US. And that ill wind will cause the same here before long - the product of both normalisation and an arms race.
Vehicles much bigger than the meaningful need is a really bad thing for society - individualism literally writ large. It's bad for road safety, the environment and just basic everyday stuff like visibility or parking for people who don't play the same game. I hope it all fucks off and we learn to accept smaller cars again but probably not.
Doodler
You're quite nice when you smile
GoCompare research from 2018 agrees with Looby's experience.
"The research shows that overall, those driving luxury car brands are the most likely to cause a collision or be convicted of an offence on the road."
BMW drivers named most dangerous on UK roads
"The research shows that overall, those driving luxury car brands are the most likely to cause a collision or be convicted of an offence on the road."
BMW drivers named most dangerous on UK roads
maomao
普費斯
Ah. This is what I thought SUV meant. I saw one driving up Bishopsgate about 15-16 years ago and have had that in my head every time I heard 'SUV' till now.
mauvais
on reddit or something
Nah. The Americans just call them trucks, although obviously we would think of HGVs.
A 'truck'
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Where do we start with this? The loathsome underlying politics or the hilariously Freudian choice of adjectives?
maomao
普費斯
Well the S and the U seem to be particularly misleading then. Unless you think driving a car can be classed as a sport in any way. Or that describing something as a 'utility vehicle' can just mean it has the same range of uses as a normal car. They should just call them 'V's.Nah. The Americans just call them trucks, although obviously we would think of HGVs.
A 'truck'
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Most people don't leave their watches, shoes and phones lying around in the street. And those things can all be ignored. If you ignore cars, you die.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
If you need space in a car an estate is the way to go. At Christmas we were loaned a massive Merc SUV whilst our car went in for repairs, it was huge, designed to look powerful and intimidating, yet the cabin and boot were smaller than our estate car. It was sluggish away from the lights, rolled around like a boat and the MPG was shocking. They sell like hot cakes.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Yeah my sister's got a fucking great Honda tank but the interior is hatchback-sized. Even the amount of boot space is pretty crap.
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