Support the French Rioters!

[Ryazan]

I don't doubt what you arer saying lostexpectation, and agree with it to a certain extent, but the destruction of facilities is going to have a very harmful effect on people already living in shit circumstances now.

 

[rednblack]

I don't doubt what you arer saying lostexpectation, and agree with it to a certain extent, but the destruction of facilities is going to have a very harmful effect on people already living in shit circumstances now.

it will probably cause some short term problems, but then there's always problems when services are being regenerated, and in the long term i'll be surprised if they dont end up with better facilities

anyway as isambard said (somewhere) no doubt the rioters themselves are having the same arguments amongst their ranks as we are here - "should they go and target posh areas", "why do should they feel solidarity with white unioised workers who are so much better off than them?" "are schools and clinics legitimate targets?" etc etc

people who believe in working class self organisation must always support working class people organising against the state - practical support and solidarity must be shown where possible. just as it was right for socialists to respect the picket lines when the dockers went on strike in support of enoch, just as we should support the right of working class people to oppose the placing of convicted pedophiles in their areas - support them where possible, but argue with them where necerssary to try and put "our" ideas across.

 

[revol68]

it will probably cause some short term problems, but then there's always problems when services are being regenerated, and in the long term i'll be surprised if they dont end up with better facilities

anyway as isambard said (somewhere) no doubt the rioters themselves are having the same arguments amongst their ranks as we are here - "should they go and target posh areas", "why do should they feel solidarity with white unioised workers who are so much better off than them?" "are schools and clinics legitimate targets?" etc etc

people who believe in working class self organisation must always support working class people organising against the state - practical support and solidarity must be shown where possible. just as it was right for socialists to respect the picket lines when the dockers went on strike in support of enoch, just as we should support the right of working class people to oppose the placing of convicted pedophiles in their areas - support them where possible, but argue with them where necerssary to try and put "our" ideas across.

who the fuck supported the pickets in favour of Enoch Powell? Do you think workers should have respected the ulster workers strike in the 70's? Thats the only strike my da ever scabbed on, and fucking right he was too.

 

[Ryazan]

Okay, but it has to lose momentum soon. it won't, as some on here have claimed, turn into a full scale rebellion. It will die down, or be crushed by heavy police or the military if it intensifies further.

 

[Paul Marsh]

It will die down, or be crushed by heavy police or the military if it intensifies further.

Which is precisely why we need to make it clear to the French government that the world is watching them, and that "crushing" protests will come at a price, both at home and abroad.

 

[cats hammers]

just as it was right for socialists to respect the picket lines when the dockers went on strike in support of enoch

Nice one, you've shown up the utter ridiculousness of the 'unconditional support' position better than we ever could have.

 

[knopf]

just as it was right for socialists to respect the picket lines when the dockers went on strike in support of enoch.

I suspect that post may come back & haunt you, young man.

 

[Ryazan]

I did find that a little disturbing.

 

[revol68]

so far from rednblack we have had "one settler, one bullet" and now a classic about solidarity for strikes in solidarity with Enoch Powell, is he perchance a national socialist?

 

[knopf]

so far from rednblack we have had "one settler, one bullet" and now a classic about solidarity for strikes in solidarity with Enoch Powell, is he perchance a national socialist?

When I first started using this site, his user tag was "mob rule now!", which I kind of assumed was ironic.

 

[Ryazan]

I think any eneimes that r&b has have seen and taken down that post content for future reference. Shouldn't have posted that....

 

[knopf]

Just so I'm not sniping without expressing my own views on this: -

If it ain't defending the interests of the working class, it ain't a picket line.

Don't consider rnb to be an "enemy," btw.

 

[Ryazan]

I don't, but I do worry about that little revealing post. Or maybe he was a little absent minded when making it.

 

[Idris2002]

who the fuck supported the pickets in favour of Enoch Powell? Do you think workers should have respected the ulster workers strike in the 70's? Thats the only strike my da ever scabbed on, and fucking right he was too.

And as he must have been in NI to scab on it, he was brave as well as right.

 

[revol68]

And as he must have been in NI to scab on it, he was brave as well as right.

well he is married to a fenian so he's used to taking shit for being a rotten prod.

 

[Pickman's model]

Depends if the cars are of serious use to the owners. Like someone who needs a car to get to work.

do you think those are the right cars to burn?

 

[Taxamo Welf]

While car burning looks a bit edgy and glamorous to anarkid types

Name fucking names.

Which of the younger element here have even slightly considered it cool?

Perhaps your talking about the 'kids' in Class War?

And for the 100023rd time, read the thread, your points have already been made - by anarkid types. FFS.

 

[Taxamo Welf]

so far from rednblack we have had "one settler, one bullet"

He said that?!

 

[Pickman's model]

He said that?!

it's economical.

 

[Taxamo Welf]

surely gas would....

oh wait.

 

[rednblack]

it's economical.

exactly...

 

[rednblack]

so far from rednblack we have had "one settler, one bullet" and now a classic about solidarity for strikes in solidarity with Enoch Powell, is he perchance a national socialist?

don't be daft are we not allowed to make one line trolling comments now and again?

or shall we assume that you mean everything you post on libcom's irish forum?

 

[rednblack]

I suspect that post may come back & haunt you, young man.

sorry no. if you cross a picket line it makes it harder to argue why people shouldnt cross a 'good' picket line in future, same with the fuel protests.
(i can't be arsed to discuss the ulster one, but i reckon staying home sick would have been the best option)

it was a shit example though i admit.

 

[revol68]

sorry no. if you cross a picket line it makes it harder to argue why people shouldnt cross a 'good' picket line in future, same with the fuel protests.
(i can't be arsed to discuss the ulster one, but i reckon staying home sick would have been the best option)

it was a shit example though i admit.

what a retarded fucking idea.

As if working class people are so fucking thick that you need to train them not to cross picket lines like Pavlovs fucking dog. As if the working class are too thick to understand the complexities of such things.

my da went into work to give two fingers to their shite loyalism, plus he was harbouring quite alot of resentment after getting sacked from his last job for organising industrial action that the workforce consequently backed out of and he was left high in dry. The fact they were prepared to follow Paisleys lot out the factory gates for Ulster yet didn't stand up for their own rights left him with a very bad taste in his mouth.

 

[montevideo]

as if working class people are so fucking thick as to...

burn cars indiscriminately

burn disabled pensioners on buses

burn hospitals

burn nurseries

destroy their own environment

attack each other

or indeed understand the complexities of such things.

 

[revol68]

burn cars indiscriminately

burn disabled pensioners on buses

burn hospitals

burn nurseries

destroy their own environment

attack each other

or indeed understand the complexities of such things.

thats my fucking point we are well capable of understanding these things are fucked up. Thats why i don't wringe my hands and overlook such actions like fuckwits like rednblack. I'm sure plenty of the rioters would take issue with alot of these actions as well.

It's angry kids striking out, hardly the same kind of thing as a strike you daft fuck.

 

[rednblack]

thats my fucking point we are well capable of understanding these things are fucked up. Thats why i don't wringe my hands and overlook such actions like fuckwits like rednblack. I'm sure plenty of the rioters would take issue with alot of these actions as well.

It's angry kids striking out, hardly the same kind of thing as a strike you daft fuck.

you really are a thick half wit half breed arent you?

ffs

 

[montevideo]

thats my fucking point we are well capable of understanding these things are fucked up. Thats why i don't wringe my hands and overlook such actions like fuckwits like rednblack. I'm sure plenty of the rioters would take issue with alot of these actions as well.

It's angry kids striking out, hardly the same kind of thing as a strike you daft fuck.

both though involve working class people. Which is it to be, good working class people or bad working class people? You decide

 

[cats hammers]

both though involve working class people. Which is it to be, good working class people or bad working class people? You decide

If you're going to make amazingly stupid and ill-informed points for us to laugh at, could you at least try and make sure they make sense, like.

 

[Taxamo Welf]

you really are a half breed

what does that mean? LOTR reference?