ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
Yes, that started during the Thatcher years. Widespread closing down of mental health facilities and calling it Care in the Community. In reality it was abandoning mentally vulnerable patients.
Subway vigilante kills Michael Jackson impersonator
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MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
I don't know of course but I think that the marine didn't intend to kill the guy merely incapacitate him so the death wasn't intentional. When Middle Q was doing her nursing degree one of her fellow students dropped out because some cunt set her hair on fire on the bus one morning. No-one got involved despite the bus being full.
Personally I would prefer that people get involved rather than not and if sometimes a mistake is made then that is a tragedy but that doesn't mean people should turn a blind eye.
It's easy from the convenience of thousands of miles away and several days later for people to say X should have done/not done this not so if you're there at the time.
I would expect the NYPD to investigate and if they discover than the marine was a raging white supremacist just waiting for his chance then yeah prosecute him, based on what I (and you) know then I'm still leaning to the tragic accident pov.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
The principle behind the move was good. People had been confined in institutions for decades with very poor quality of life.
The trouble was that it is actually less expensive to keep someone in an institution than it is to look after them in the community. The funding was not put in place, we now have the deplorable current situation.
offer him a job
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
You miss the point I think.
I'm old and decrepit now, but I could still take someone down and restrain them without using a choke hold.
Soldiers are taught unarmed combat, the marine should not have used a choke hold.
Yossarian
Get thee behind me, Santa
It seems like there was a failure to get involved here as well - people either stood by and watched or joined in as the ex-Marine choked the life out of a mentally ill Black man.
The case raises questions about how people respond to the actions of the “poor, the unhoused and most especially those perceived as suffering from mental illness,” said Christopher Fee, an English professor at Gettysburg College who teaches about homelessness.
“Those bystanders may have felt threatened by the victim, but they were not in fact attacked by him,” he said. “Still, they watched him die.”
Subway Rider Choked Homeless Man to Death, Medical Examiner Rules
Jordan Neely died after a man held him in a chokehold. On Wednesday, the medical examiner’s office said the cause of death was compression of the neck, and ruled it a homicide.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
All the time? And yet a week ago you said you had just got back to the UK for the first time in years.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
On the completely un medicated scale you see in the states or when people are in crisis in hospitals ( or horrendously police stations) . I’ve not.
Impossible for me to see my corner of Little England when I’m not there, but when I am there (you pedantic wet-wipe) I see that kind of behaviour all the time.
Lucky you, as I said; a sheltered life
andysays
Love and solidarity
Maybe I've also led a sheltered life, but I for one would prefer it if you didn't turn this thread about a tragic death into another exhibition of self-centred belligerence.
You’re projecting
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
TBF there is a lot of difference between what people are taught and what people end up using when confronted with a situation, especially if the situation is completely dissimilar to how they were trained - plus this isn't unarmed combat (indeed it could be the case that thinking he could use those skills is what has helped cause this tragedy), its restraint of someone apparently suffering from mental health problems. I'd be amazed if he (the marine) had been trained in that, unless he had some medical specialization or previous / current employment in that field.
Restraining people is not easy, especially for a single person to accomplish and against someone in some form of crisis it is nearly impossible to do physically.
Epona
Sonic: 1 Nov 2006 - 8 Jan 2022
EDIT: Just shared probably too much info that isn't mine to share and thought better of it.
This is horrific though. There is no excuse for restraining someone in that way (safer ways of restraining if someone is actually a physical threat to people).
This is horrific though. There is no excuse for restraining someone in that way (safer ways of restraining if someone is actually a physical threat to people).
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Boris Sprinkler
Dont be scared
Why do we as a society think the solution to someone else’s discomfort is to beat it out of them?
If the solider hadn’t been a fearful racist thinking he’s fucking Batman, it would have been dealt with differently.
If the solider hadn’t been a fearful racist thinking he’s fucking Batman, it would have been dealt with differently.
teqniq
DisMembered
Ex-homeless guy who was there:
www.newyorker.com
An Eyewitness to Jordan Neely’s Death
“It’s shameful,” Johnny Grima, a formerly homeless man, who was aboard the train in which Neely was choked to death, said. “There’s no getting around it.”
I remember in Hong Kong i’d overheard a re-telling of an incident that occurred the night before, by one Caucasian North American to another (who wasn’t there).
The police in an attempt to restrain somebody (can’t remember if they mentioned what he had done or not) had choked a guy out until he died. During the re-telling though this person was described every time as a: black guy, a black guy with dreadlocks, a big black guy with deadlocks.
Whatever the fuck assumed knowledge they had on their mind against black people was probably something similar to what UFC Garfunkel (check the picture of the fuzzy haired cunt) had had on his mind about them.
The police in an attempt to restrain somebody (can’t remember if they mentioned what he had done or not) had choked a guy out until he died. During the re-telling though this person was described every time as a: black guy, a black guy with dreadlocks, a big black guy with deadlocks.
Whatever the fuck assumed knowledge they had on their mind against black people was probably something similar to what UFC Garfunkel (check the picture of the fuzzy haired cunt) had had on his mind about them.
skyscraper101
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Yossarian
Get thee behind me, Santa
Almost $800,000 has been raised for the Subway Strangler with the help of far-right politicians like Ron DeSantis, who calls him a "Good Samaritan."
I'm a little rusty on my Bible knowledge but I'm pretty sure the parable of the Good Samaritan doesn't involve the Samaritan killing somebody who was begging for food.
I'm a little rusty on my Bible knowledge but I'm pretty sure the parable of the Good Samaritan doesn't involve the Samaritan killing somebody who was begging for food.
Sweet FA
✪ Three rounds Lord, in my .44 ✪
"Neely, once a talented Michael Jackson impersonator, had suffered PTSD and severe depression after his mother was murdered by his stepfather in 2007, when Neely was 14. He also had autism and developed schizophrenia, relatives said. He suffered a series of mental health crises and faced multiple arrests while living on the streets."
The murderer will get off no doubt.
The murderer will get off no doubt.
RedRedRose
Well-Known Member
Neely has priors and the defense will play on the self-defence angle. Kind of looks like it could go the same way as the 1984 Bernhard Goetz trial.
He’s enjoying that there, can you spoiler it please
I wanted to post it myself a few days ago but it’s a bloody gruesome photo
Would they have raised the money if he was black? I think we all know the answer.
