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No one is proposing that.

But establishing a Mars colony would seem prudent given that the entire human race, it's history, art, culture and achievements are always just one extinction event/global catastrophe away from being wiped out forever.

The notion that 'sorting out this world' is likely to happen when megacorps are busy destroying the planet in their quest for short term profit seems gloriously naïve. Sadly,
What??
 
Let's be clear about what a Mars colony would be. Without some form of terraforming (and there's no clear idea about how that can be done btw - it's a fucking massive thing to attempt), a Mars colony would be like the 'colonies' at the South Pole. They would be research centres in which small numbers of scientists live a massively controlled life within the protection of a small compound. It would take a huge amount of energy to get them there and a huge amount of energy to get them back to Earth.

Any ideas for anything bigger than that are pipe dreams.

And it's faintly ludicrous to suggest that colonies on a planet that is not currently fit for life might replace life here on Earth, the place where we evolved.
 
Let's be clear about what a Mars colony would be. Without some form of terraforming (and there's no clear idea about how that can be done btw - it's a fucking massive thing to attempt), a Mars colony would be like the 'colonies' at the South Pole. They would be research centres in which small numbers of scientists live a massively controlled life within the protection of a small compound. It would take a huge amount of energy to get them there and a huge amount of energy to get them back to Earth.

Any ideas for anything bigger than that are pipe dreams.

And it's faintly ludicrous to suggest that colonies on a planet that is not currently fit for life might replace life here on Earth, the place where we evolved.
I always saw the Mars stuff as a smoke and mirrors alabi to blag more government funding for his Starlink program - which he can monetise, and get even more access to user data
 
I always saw the Mars stuff as a smoke and mirrors alabi to blag more government funding for his Starlink program - which he can monetise, and get even more access to user data
Is Musk receiving government funding for Starlink ? I haven't read about this. Also, "even more access" ? Is Musk currently collecting online data ? What does he use it for ? And has he been given exemption from various countries' data protection legislation ? Again, I haven't seen any stories about these topics. Can you elucidate ?
 
Is it just going to go up and come down or will it do a lap of the planet before coming down again?
Sub-orbital partial-lap of the planet (~50x240km at 26.4°): a low inclination flight eastwards to a re-entry and soft oceanic landing north of Hawaii (is the plan).
Starship test flight ascent trajectory. Starship test flight re-entry to oceanic landing trajectory. Starship test flight ground track and hazard zones.
 
Let's be clear about what a Mars colony would be. Without some form of terraforming (and there's no clear idea about how that can be done btw - it's a fucking massive thing to attempt), a Mars colony would be like the 'colonies' at the South Pole. They would be research centres in which small numbers of scientists live a massively controlled life within the protection of a small compound. It would take a huge amount of energy to get them there and a huge amount of energy to get them back to Earth.

Any ideas for anything bigger than that are pipe dreams.

And it's faintly ludicrous to suggest that colonies on a planet that is not currently fit for life might replace life here on Earth, the place where we evolved.
If you have a quadrillion dollars to spare, we can start on terraforming Mars tomorrow, based on the synergistic approach described by Dr Martyn Fogg (who lives in Crystal Palace) in the terraforming bible: Terraforming: Engineering Planetary Environments, SAE Press, ISBN 1-56091-609-5

The plan involves importing/crashing nitrogen-rich Neptunian trojan asteroids; melting the Martian icecaps and permafrost with nuclear reactors optimised for heat production; manufacturing gigatonnes of various perfluorocarbon greenhouse gases and ozone (ultraviolet shield); building a constellation of "statite" mirrors from asteroidal aluminium to boost illumination; constructing an artificial magnetosphere machine at the L1 position. Mix ingredients together, add lichen and algae to taste, and wait a thousand years until ready to serve.
 
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What they are going to dump it in the ocean? 2hats
SpaceX haven't gone so far as to provide all the details but it appears that the Super Heavy first stage will (if all runs to plan) make a propulsive soft oceanic landing 'above' the sea surface then shut down. After testing entry and trans-atmospheric control, it seems that Starship will splashdown in the Pacific, probably at terminal velocity (original mission descriptions mentioned a soft landing of some flavour but that was dropped).
 
SpaceX haven't gone so far as to provide all the details but it appears that the Super Heavy first stage will (if all runs to plan) make a propulsive soft oceanic landing 'above' the sea surface then shut down. After testing entry and trans-atmospheric control, it seems that Starship will splashdown in the Pacific, probably at terminal velocity (original mission descriptions mentioned a soft landing of some flavour but that was dropped).
Hmm, doesn't seem so ambitious to me ..
 
Is Musk receiving government funding for Starlink ?
Not that I know of. The USGOV bought a lot of units for Ukraine.
Is Musk currently collecting online data ? What does he use it for ?
  • Identity Data, which may include first name, last name, title.
  • Contact Data, which may include delivery/service address, email address, and phone numbers.
  • Profile Data, which may include username and password, purchases or orders made by you, customer service requests, your interests, preferences, feedback and survey responses; and preferences in receiving marketing and non-marketing communications from us.
  • Financial Data, which includes payment card details.
  • Transaction Data, which includes details about payments to and from you and other details of products and services you have purchased from us.
  • Website Technical Data, which includes the following information if you use our online portal and services: Internet protocol (IP) address, browser type and version, time zone setting and location, (discussed further below), browser plug-in types and versions, operating system and platform, and the ways in which you use or interact with our online portal and services.
  • Customer Technical Data, which includes data about throughput delivered to you over time, service connectivity, latency, quality metrics, sky obstruction data, device orientation and location, WiFi quality metrics, WiFi device information, and the public IP address information assigned to you over time.
  • Location Data (not precise geolocation), which includes your general location in order to provide you with the appropriate goods and services.
  • Communication Information, which may include audio, electronic, or visual information, any data in any files uploaded, emailed or otherwise provided by you, the contents of your communications with us, whether via e-mail, social media, telephone or otherwise, and inferences we may make from other personal information we collect.

Tons of data are also collected from teslas e.g. for the AP & FSD program. The 360 camaras are constantly recording and the data collected.
He says its to make the product better, but judging by the videos of FSD, that's debatable.


And has he been given exemption from various countries' data protection legislation ?
no idea
Again, I haven't seen any stories about these topics. Can you elucidate ?
links above, but it's all over the internet. It's a known issue but no worse than other providers/ platforms.
If you value your privacy, Tasla / Starlink aren't recommended products
 
That is the privacy policy for their website. You'll find similar on any other site that takes payments for services. Not out of the usual, and you certainly don't need to launch a massive fleet of satellites to collect that sort of data. Of course as an ISP, they will hold certain information on what sites you visit (but they can't read encrypted traffic) as required by law. But this is no more or less than any other ISP, whose main business is providing internet services, not selling customer data.

Starlink is a very compelling product with literally zero competition in many places. Sober analysis by people in the ISP business says that it could easily generate enough profit to give SpaceX a bigger budget than NASA. That's what it's for. Musk is a bellend but as far as I can tell he really believes the "mankind's future lies in outer space" stuff. Everything the company does is in service of that.

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Fuelling is underway

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Not that I know of. The USGOV bought a lot of units for Ukraine.

  • Identity Data, which may include first name, last name, title.
  • Contact Data, which may include delivery/service address, email address, and phone numbers.
  • Profile Data, which may include username and password, purchases or orders made by you, customer service requests, your interests, preferences, feedback and survey responses; and preferences in receiving marketing and non-marketing communications from us.
  • Financial Data, which includes payment card details.
  • Transaction Data, which includes details about payments to and from you and other details of products and services you have purchased from us.
  • Website Technical Data, which includes the following information if you use our online portal and services: Internet protocol (IP) address, browser type and version, time zone setting and location, (discussed further below), browser plug-in types and versions, operating system and platform, and the ways in which you use or interact with our online portal and services.
  • Customer Technical Data, which includes data about throughput delivered to you over time, service connectivity, latency, quality metrics, sky obstruction data, device orientation and location, WiFi quality metrics, WiFi device information, and the public IP address information assigned to you over time.
  • Location Data (not precise geolocation), which includes your general location in order to provide you with the appropriate goods and services.
  • Communication Information, which may include audio, electronic, or visual information, any data in any files uploaded, emailed or otherwise provided by you, the contents of your communications with us, whether via e-mail, social media, telephone or otherwise, and inferences we may make from other personal information we collect.

Tons of data are also collected from teslas e.g. for the AP & FSD program. The 360 camaras are constantly recording and the data collected.
He says its to make the product better, but judging by the videos of FSD, that's debatable.



no idea

links above, but it's all over the internet. It's a known issue but no worse than other providers/ platforms.
If you value your privacy, Tasla / Starlink aren't recommended products
oh and twitter. I forgot that he has access to all twitter user data
 
Musk is a bellend but as far as I can tell he really believes the "mankind's future lies in outer space" stuff. Everything the company does is in service of that.

Musk signaled a couple of weeks ago that he sees saving civilization on Earth as a higher priority than Mars, etc. - apparently he plans to prevent the collapse of civilization by antagonizing public broadcasters on Twitter

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There's already a thread about Musk/Twitter. Can we keep this thread about 'SpaceX rockets and launches' like the title says, please?
 
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