Southwark to demolish Aylesbury estate
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thanks for the reply william, i agree with those points - just a shame we don't have honest, altruistic councils 
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i notice that those new flats on walworth road - "south central" - are about to be finished. £290,000 for a 1-bed flat! i believe there is social housing too though. and the developers also have planning consent to build 400 more flats right next to it (other side of the train line), but i can't quite figure out where. it sounds to me like they'll have to demolish the industrial estate, unless it goes on that vast car park area.
amenWilliam of Walworth said:
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i notice that those new flats on walworth road - "south central" - are about to be finished. £290,000 for a 1-bed flat! i believe there is social housing too though. and the developers also have planning consent to build 400 more flats right next to it (other side of the train line), but i can't quite figure out where. it sounds to me like they'll have to demolish the industrial estate, unless it goes on that vast car park area.
well, yes and no.kea said:
one development is already built and they have just received planning consent for this:
http://www.southcentral-london.com/phase2.html
it's on crampton st so they MUST be knocking down the industrial estate
it is within the area, but it's separate from the main regeneration proposal which, if i'm right, is mainly the heygate estate, heygate boulevard and the shopping centre.kea said:how does that not fit in with the E&C regen?
all the same really though innit
i give it 6 months before starbucks on walworth road
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salaryman said:
Well they have a market now. Flats from £250,000 behind the Shell Garage.
salaryman said:
They are. More on this later ....
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I cycle down Crampton Street most days on my way to work, and the demolition of the industrial units has already started (a few at the far end are still being used).
There was quite a lot of protest from the Pullens Estate on the opposite side of Crampton Street, during the planning application for 'South-Central London' (
). The website for the whole food co-op and activist centre at 56A Crampton appears to have been shut down, but the shop/centre is still going.The Pullens Estate (Crampton/Iliffe/Amelia Streets) was due for demolition back in the early/mid (?) eighties, but was mass-squatted .... those were the before-my-time days!! Others will know more about that!
SNOW** (Squatters Network of Walworth, 1983-1988) and Peoples Republic of Walcordia++ anyone?
I think Jim, informative/knowledgeable poster on the drugs forum knows about all this ... but he's out of London now I believe.
**When http://www.squatter.org.uk is back on line I'll do some more research on SNOW, as there appears to be info on that site when you Google.
++Walcorde Street, off Browning Street ... also once a mass squat of about 12 houses, but only 1 house there that looks anything like a squat now!
And that yard at the bottom of Browning Street, just above the car park, opposite the horrid pub on the corner of Browning/Brandon Streets, has long since been evicted of its Age Traveller vehicles .....
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ANYWAY, back on topic and back to 2005. The Aylesbury!
kea said:it's nowhere near that far gone yet.
i've just seen some correspondence from miliband to harman tho which leaves me in no doubt that he personally has been in on this for a while.
btw - guinnessdrinker - think we're sending a reporter and photographer to the meeting
I'd better wear a balaclava and hide my town hall burning petrol bombs. I am very shy....
zenie said:Apologies lack of punctuation meant this was misunderstood
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Anyways : Has anyone seen any plans of the proposed building works or has it not made it that far yet?
there are no plans as yet. the decision has yet to be made official.
Divisive Cotton said:
outside the town hall in sunny Peckham (Peckham road, between Camberwell and Peckham, number 12 bus from the elephant.
William of Walworth said:
[guinnessdrinker goes slowly to bed for an early night with a cup of cocoa, slippers and my trusted walking stick] when I was young, my grandson, they were mass riot on the local squatted estates.....
kea said:
salaryman is actually right, it is technically separate from the the E&C, just part of a general Southwark strategy. at least, it does not involve displacing council tenants. it just did not make the news beyond the Southwark News
I work on the edge of the aylesbury estate, and the vast majority of our clients are from there - I feel really sad for them that their community is going to be broken up. I've never really worked or lived in places where I've really felt a sense of community, and also of being part of that community in a small way, but I really do feel it in SE17 and I see this affecting that area in a bad way.
salaryman said:thanks for the reply william, i agree with those points - just a shame we don't have honest, altruistic councils
amen
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i notice that those new flats on walworth road - "south central" - are about to be finished. £290,000 for a 1-bed flat! i believe there is social housing too though. and the developers also have planning consent to build 400 more flats right next to it (other side of the train line), but i can't quite figure out where. it sounds to me like they'll have to demolish the industrial estate, unless it goes on that vast car park area.
are you sure it is "social housing" and not so called "affordable housing" for "key workers", that is not bin men of course (and is still not affordable, of course), a notion introduced by ken livingstone?
Tank Girl said:
well said, come to the demo!
slight correction, it appears that the lobby is from 6pm, not 7pm, according to my latest email. other posts to be edited to include correct time.
Tank Girl said:sorry, I've not read the thread thoroughly, when is the demo? I saw it's outside peckham town hall
if I can make it, I'll be there
tuesday the 27th (this tuesday coming) at 6pm.
guinnessdrinker said:
from their website:
"[south central london] WILL PROVIDE 280 HOMES, APARTMENTS, PENTHOUSES, LIVE-WORK UNITS AND SOCIAL HOUSING ACCOMMODATION LOCATED IN FIVE HIGHLY CONTEMPORARY BUILDINGS."
i'd be very interested to know whether they mean ken's "affordable housing"
sorry tank girl, this isn't actually to do with aylesbury - we've kinda got a couple of walworth development threads going on here. this is to do with the new south central new-build development on the walworth road and crampton stTank Girl said:
http://www.southcentral-london.com
salaryman said:
officially, any development over 15 flats has to have "affordable housing", but I was reading today (I'll have to refresh my memory by rereading the article in the Southwark News) about a monster tower block for plush housing and top class hotel (65 storeys
) proposed for Blackfriars bridge, on the south side of the bridge. it did mention something about "affordable" or "social" housing as part of the development. only it would be built in the suburbs...and they claim it's perfectly okay....
but as I said I will check the article.
(this sort of thing is why I don't normally do serious threads Tank Girl said:
2759 council housing flats on the aylesbury to be replaced with 2200 Housing associations flats and 2700 shared or private ownership flats. this means less and not so good social housing and displacement of communities.
salaryman said:
yes they do.
shared ownership housing isn't just a london thing, mind, but it's big business in london now. all new housing in london over a certain number of units (can't remember exactly off the top of my head - think it's 14) has to be 40% social housing but that can be shared ownership, housing association, whatever.
guinnessdrinker said:a monster tower block for plush housing and top class hotel (65 storeys
yes, i know a bit about that. it's by The Beetham Organisation (who i haven't heard much of and seem a bit mysterious, but that could just be my crap research skills) and Ian Simpson Architects. they're also doing towers in manchester, liverpool and birmingham.
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I lived on the Aylesbury for a brief ( some months) and very unpleasant while in the early 90s. Though I didn't get to know any of these fabled social networks, so can't comment on them, my impression was it was an unmitigated shithole and the sooner it got knocked down the better. Piss everywhere, broken lifts (and glass, and light fittings), wrecked cars and furniture, barricaded shops selling rip-off, out of date, semi poisonous food, and plenty of fighting all around. Inside the flats were indeed bright and spacious (not hard when you're 12 storeys up) but many had damp, mould, and window / plumbing problems. And this was BEFORE crack & guns even really took off.
AS LONG AS it does NOT mean the mass deportation of poorer Londoners - to somewhere even further out & more benighted - I truly can't see anything wrong, in itself, with getting rid of this hideous complex of monuments to architects' egos. It didn't work. full stop. protect the tenants, for sure. but those things were some of the ugliest buildings on the face of the earth and getting rid of them is no crime.
I lived on the Aylesbury for a brief ( some months) and very unpleasant while in the early 90s. Though I didn't get to know any of these fabled social networks, so can't comment on them, my impression was it was an unmitigated shithole and the sooner it got knocked down the better. Piss everywhere, broken lifts (and glass, and light fittings), wrecked cars and furniture, barricaded shops selling rip-off, out of date, semi poisonous food, and plenty of fighting all around. Inside the flats were indeed bright and spacious (not hard when you're 12 storeys up) but many had damp, mould, and window / plumbing problems. And this was BEFORE crack & guns even really took off.
AS LONG AS it does NOT mean the mass deportation of poorer Londoners - to somewhere even further out & more benighted - I truly can't see anything wrong, in itself, with getting rid of this hideous complex of monuments to architects' egos. It didn't work. full stop. protect the tenants, for sure. but those things were some of the ugliest buildings on the face of the earth and getting rid of them is no crime.
The Aylesbury is not the only estate due to be demolished in London. The huge Woodberry Downs estate in Hackney (perhaps the largest council estate in the UK) is to be demolished and replaced by a far larger number of housing units. First stage of the demolition is to commence (I believe) in November.
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