Southwark to demolish Aylesbury estate

[kea]

noooooooooo we wouldn't have covered harman, she's not big enough in housing policy. there was definitely something policy wonk-ish that it was used for recently. i think the quote from my editor was something like 'they [Labour party] have been using it [aylesbury estate] like their backyard' - ie. nipping down there, reading out a press release, nipping back again.

 

[guinnessdrinker]

noooooooooo we wouldn't have covered harman, she's not big enough in housing policy. there was definitely something policy wonk-ish that it was used for recently. i think the quote from my editor was something like 'they [Labour party] have been using it [aylesbury estate] like their backyard' - ie. nipping down there, reading out a press release, nipping back again.

harriet harman was at a public meeting where she said (I was in the room) that she would all she could do all she could to keep the aylesbury replacement (if any) with the council. this was covered in the Southwark News, IIRC.

 

[William of Walworth]

The 'story' of the Aylesbury from any journo's point of view is always linked to Mr Tony's Social Inclusion visit in '97. The Estate has now come to represent the failed New Labour policy. It's not as if the Aylesbury is the only estate in London that needs change, but a dig at the Aylesbry is a dig at Mr Tony.

And where's his much mooted second visit now?

I work on the estate and so have some sense of the local feeling, although not as a resident. I didn't recognise any of the opinions put forward in The Guardian article. If anything it is the opposite from my limited conversations with locals.

The problem again all comes to the politicisation of the locals. They have been kicked around over the past decade by one ideology to another. I'm still undecided if the demolition decision is for the best, but not living there then it's not something that I have to deal with (although my job may be by implication be also for the wrecking ball).

The term 'forgotten folk' is the one trusim from Mr Tony's '97 speech. The forgotten people are now being pushed aside.

This is really interesting, would like to meet you for a chat about all this sometime before long, perhaps when plans become a bit more clearcut. May involve beer (can suggest best pubs in area ). Maybe guinnessdrinker, kea, others?? might be interested in this too.

Do you know Piers Corbyn and other anti-stock transfer campaigners, Tricky Skills??

 

[Tricky Skills]

No visit to the Aylesbury from Mr Tony since '97. He talked about 'coming to sort it out' in the run up to the election, but kept well clear.

Maybe he blessed the people of Southwark elsewhere?

 

[kea]

harriet harman was at a public meeting where she said (I was in the room) that she would all she could do all she could to keep the aylesbury replacement (if any) with the council. this was covered in the Southwark News, IIRC.

recently? as i said earlier on the thread, i've seen correspondence between harman and miliband that confirms that harman has been in on these demolition plans and approving of them for some time.

 

[William of Walworth]

The problem again all comes to the politicisation of the locals. They have been kicked around over the past decade by one ideology to another.

Not sure I agree with this though, at least in terms of the last decade or so.
Seems to me like the Aylesbury and its residents have been kicked around by consistent attempts to apply ONE ideology, one that inflexibly refuses to contemplate any solution that doesn't involve stock transfer

But then I'm biased

 

[William of Walworth]

recently? as i said earlier on the thread, i've seen correspondence between harman and miliband that confirms that harman has been in on these demolition plans and approving of them for some time.

I think GD meant during the 2005 election??

 

[Tricky Skills]

I don't know Piers Corbyn, but know of him. The fragrant Mss Harman is a regular visitor to the Estate (and my place of work). To be fair to her, I've always found her to be asking the right questions.

A drink in the William the Fourth on Albany Road would be good.

Oh, hang on - it's boarded up and about to be demolished

 

[William of Walworth]

No visit to the Aylesbury from Mr Tony since '97. He talked about 'coming to sort it out' in the run up to the election, but kept well clear.

Good job he did, his form of 'sorting out' means stock transfer and private money, no other choice, whatever Harriet pretends to say.

Not that his election time absence seems to have repreived the estate from its inevitable fate, anyway

 

[William of Walworth]

I don't know Piers Corbyn, but know of him. The fragrant Mss Harman is a regular visitor to the Estate (and my place of work). To be fair to her, I've always found her to be asking the right questions.

A drink in the William the Fourth on Albany Road would be good.

Oh, hang on - it's boarded up and about to be demolished

The Beehive's better, anyway. A bit further from your work for you, but a good pub.

Let's do it in the next few weeks

 

[William of Walworth]

Got to go now, glad this thread has sprang back to life though.

Have some recent Elephant stuff at home to post onto the Elephant and Castle thread and rebump THAT, later.

 

[Tricky Skills]

A few recent photos from the Ayselbury are up HERE, I actually like the architecture, but again - I don't have to live there.

 

[lang rabbie]

No visit to the Aylesbury from Mr Tony since '97. He talked about 'coming to sort it out' in the run up to the election, but kept well clear.

Maybe he blessed the people of Southwark elsewhere?

When challenged by Jean Bartlett from the estate on the Dimbleby programme during this year's General Election Blair promised to come back...

Blair on his way back to the Aylesbury

Michael Howard did visit this year, causing much of the worst media coverage of the estate

 

[Mrs Magpie]

Most of my ex-in laws still do live there and their flats are lovely. I hankered after a flat on the Aylesbury when I was living on the Loughborough Estate.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

...and what location will stand in for the Jasmine Allen Estate on The Bill when the wrecking ball hits?

 

[rennie]

so have all teh residents left yet?

 

[Mrs Magpie]

Not as far as I know.

 

[Tricky Skills]

so have all teh residents left yet?

We're talking ten years before the 'project' (as Mr T would call it) is complete. Only the decision to bullzode the Aylesbury has been made so far.

The SLP is reporting today though of a bizarre scheme to put up temporary homes in neighbouring Burgess Park.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

The SLP is reporting today though of a bizarre scheme to put up temporary homes in neighbouring Burgess Park.

God, it's like the Blitz all over again.....

 

[guinnessdrinker]

recently? as i said earlier on the thread, i've seen correspondence between harman and miliband that confirms that harman has been in on these demolition plans and approving of them for some time.

that's interesting. the meeting she spoke too was back in february or march. I will try to find out more tomorrow.

 

[guinnessdrinker]

so have all teh residents left yet?

the demolition plans have only just been approved and they appear to be still letting flats out on the Aylesbury.

recent lets in southwark

follow the links and notice all those flats in wendover, bradenham, etc being let in October 2005, 2 weeks after the demolition plans being approved.

 

[guinnessdrinker]

We're talking ten years before the 'project' (as Mr T would call it) is complete. Only the decision to bullzode the Aylesbury has been made so far.

The SLP is reporting today though of a bizarre scheme to put up temporary homes in neighbouring Burgess Park.

there is another even scheme proposed by Sam Webb, the architect who pushed for demolition for the Aylesbury on the basis of bad experiences in Siberia or something. he wants Burgess park to be built upon for all the new housing (increased density is the excuse, nearly 5000 new flats against 2759 old ones) and the old Aylesbury estate to be the new Burgess Park! I tell you, I'll be throwing myself to the JCBs if they do that and there is going to be an awful lot of opposition to that, I can tell you (not that it's ever going to happen, anyway).

 

[guinnessdrinker]

A drink in the William the Fourth on Albany Road would be good.

Oh, hang on - it's boarded up and about to be demolished

actually, possibly no. I remember reading that the plans to turn it into housing had been turned down and that there was a new application involving a pub as part of the redevelopment (with housing on top). but I don't know what happened to that.

 

[guinnessdrinker]

Michael Howard did visit this year, causing much of the worst media coverage of the estate

I can imagine: dodgy geyser seen lurking around crime ridden estate....

 

[William of Walworth]

the demolition plans have only just been approved and they appear to be still letting flats out on the Aylesbury.

recent lets in southwark

follow the links and notice all those flats in wendover, bradenham, etc being let in October 2005, 2 weeks after the demolition plans being approved.

Kinnell thats an interesting link. 23 and 41 bids (far in excess of any others) in Amelia St. (Pullens) and Alberta Street (nice brick houses and lowrise blocks nearby to Amelia Street)

Oops! 89 bids for a Bankside flat!!!

Ayelesbury bids generally amount to about 5 per vacancy on that link ...

In my day, you had an offer, no right of refusal, and that was that!!

Luckily mine was a flat on a quiet(ish) estate ...

 

[William of Walworth]

there is another even scheme proposed by Sam Webb, the architect who pushed for demolition for the Aylesbury on the basis of bad experiences in Siberia or something. he wants Burgess park to be built upon for all the new housing (increased density is the excuse, nearly 5000 new flats against 2759 old ones) and the old Aylesbury estate to be the new Burgess Park! I tell you, I'll be throwing myself to the JCBs if they do that and there is going to be an awful lot of opposition to that, I can tell you (not that it's ever going to happen, anyway).

There's not been the slightest hint of building on Burgess Park, and I await proper confirmation of that -- surely not! It would create an absolute uproar locally ...

If that really is threatened though, I know someone who knows how to thwart bulldozers

 

[guinnessdrinker]

There's not been the slightest hint of building on Burgess Park, and I await proper confirmation of that -- surely not! It would create an absolute uproar locally ...

If that really is threatened though, I know someone who knows how to thwart bulldozers

fear not, it's not going to happen. it's just a crazy proposal from a mad architect who should be forcefully reeducated in the funny farm or something. the article about that was in the Southwark News last week. the Friends of Burgess Park spent 4 years to get the land classified, as it is now, metropolitan open land, which means it cannot be built upon. but Sam Webb is an architect, not the local town planner, and he doesn't know the Friends....

 

[Tricky Skills]

Just like the Aylesbury – it’s the thread that refuses to die…

Bugger me but Mr Tony had his Second Coming in SE17 last week. How come no local residents were invited along?

Nothing but stage managed Nu Labour bollocks.

Only about five years too late Tony.

 

[guinnessdrinker]

Just like the Aylesbury – it’s the thread that refuses to die…

Bugger me but Mr Tony had his Second Coming in SE17 last week. How come no local residents were invited along?

Nothing but stage managed Nu Labour bollocks.

Only about five years too late Tony.

YES!

 

[William of Walworth]

Bumped because of related/parallel discussions on the two Elephant and Castle threads.

New thread : Elephant and Castle redevelopment

Old thread : Southwark Coucnil approve Elephant redevelopemnt