Skewed Sentencing

[Urbanblues]

“A man who left a 96-year-old war veteran blind in one eye after attacking him on a packed tram has been given a three-year supervision order.”

A tad on the lenient side, isn’t it? Christ, GBH against an infirm 96 year-old man; blinding him in one eye; and, probably forcing him to spend the rest of his life in a care home. The cunt should have got a custodial sentence, at the very least.

Is there any way that this sentence can be revisited; and, Stephen Gordon given an upgrade on his sentence, to say 18 months hard labour?

 

[dennisr]

“A man who left a 96-year-old war veteran blind in one eye after attacking him on a packed tram has been given a three-year supervision order.”

A tad on the lenient side, isn’t it? Christ, GBH against an infirm 96 year-old man; blinding him in one eye; and, probably forcing him to spend the rest of his life in a care home. The cunt should have got a custodial sentence, at the very least.

Is there any way that this sentence can be revisited; and, Stephen Gordon given an upgrade on his sentence, to say 18 months hard labour?

Got to say - I was shocked at that 'sentence'. I suppose I don't know all the ins and outs but that was pretty appalling from what I can see.

 

[editor]

Thread here: http://urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=226499

 

[butchersapron]

Should've taken an eye out.

 

[Urbanblues]

Thread here: http://urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=226499

I don't understand; followed the link; and, this appeared:

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[detective-boy]

Does this work any better?

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=226499

(It's headed "Thug Walks Free" in General anyway!)

 

[Urbanblues]

Yes, thank you, 'Tec.

 

[audiotech]

Should've taken an eye out.

An eye for an eye sounds go(o)d?

 

[JHE]

Is there any way that this sentence can be revisited; and, Stephen Gordon given an upgrade on his sentence, to say 18 months hard labour?

In some circumstances, the CPS can appeal against excessively lenient sentences. I don't know the ins and outs - and have no idea if that will happen in this case.

It seems that the culprit in this case is prone to madness and it is likely that he wouldn't have thumped the old boy if he had not been mad at the time.

I'm happy for people to be treated more leniently if the crime is caused by madness, but there has got to be effective action taken. We don't want nutters walking around bashing elderly people. It's not clear whether the treatment he is expected to continue is good enough or not. If it isn't, he should be 'sectioned', shouldn't he?

 

[Das Uberdog]

How the fuck does anyone know what this guy deserves? The law should be used neutrally to protect the general public, not based on some arbitrary notion of revenge.

 

[detective-boy]

In some circumstances, the CPS can appeal against excessively lenient sentences. I don't know the ins and outs - and have no idea if that will happen in this case.

As I posted on the other thread, if the charge was s.20 GBH (i.e. without intent) then I don't think such an appeal is possible. The original legislation (Criminal Justice Act 1988) restricted it to "indictable only" offences (s.20 GBH is not). Other legislation has since added some other sexual offences, threats to kill, offences involving children, serious fraud, drug trafficking offences and racially/religiously aggravated offences. I don't think s.20 GBH has been included - despite the name it is way down the list of seriousness, sentence-wise (max 5 years - I suspect if we had a revamp of the assault laws we would get a new assault somewhere between ABH / GBH (both 5 years) and s.18 GBH (with intent, life).

If it isn't, he should be 'sectioned', shouldn't he?

There is a significant body of opinion against the idea of locking people up with mental illnesses just because they may become violent. This is by no means the worst example - there have been many murders.

 

[bluescreen]

There must be more to this NI case than meets the eye. It's not clear from the article precisely what the charges were*, but the suspended sentences for kidnapping and menaces are extraordinarily lenient, whatever the relationship of the parties. The prosecution is appealing.

A man was kidnapped, held for four days bound in darkness in filthy conditions in a shipping container. He was threatened with death, with having his fingers cut off, and a ransom of €400,000 was demanded. A lesser ransom of €100,000 was paid and he was released. He withdrew his complaint a couple of years later, but there was enough evidence to convict anyway.

Det Ch Insp Raymond Murray, from the PSNI, said the victim suffered a "terrifying ordeal" when he was held over a disputed debt.

"He didn't know whether he was going to live, he didn't know whether he was going to die - he didn't know if he did live, was he going to come out hurt, permanently injured, with fingers cut off," he said.

Mr Gogan was released across the Irish border after a reduced ransom of 100,000 euro (£87,360) was paid by his family - money that has never been recovered.

Images released to the Press Association show the conditions inside Mr Gogan's makeshift cell.

Bound by cable ties, Mr Gogan was held in pitch darkness, surrounded by horse faeces and with only dirty mattresses to lie on. There was no sanitation and he was given limited food and water.

"Kidnapping is a very, very traumatic crime," said Det Ch Insp Murray.

"Thankfully, it is reasonably infrequent in Northern Ireland and that's the way we want to keep it and that's why this case is a success story for us.

"We overcame a number of criminal justice hurdles to convict five individuals in relation to a very, very serious crime."

Despite no victim testimony, CCTV, DNA and phone evidence helped build the case.

"Dedicated detectives working for four years with a reluctant witness and one telephone number built a case that was capable of bring five individuals before the court for very, very serious crimes," said Mr Murray.

Meanwhile, the Public Prosecution Service (PPS) said it was considering referring the sentences to the Court of Appeal on the grounds of being unduly lenient.

The maximum jail term for kidnap is life, while that for blackmail is 14 years.

more at the link Kidnapped cattle dealer's 'shipping container cell' - BBC News

A PPS spokesman said: "The Public Prosecution Service is currently considering if there is a basis to refer the sentence in this case to the Court of Appeal on the grounds that it may be unduly lenient.

"An unduly lenient sentence is one that falls outside the range of sentence that a judge, taking into consideration all relevant factors and having regard to sentencing guidance, could reasonably consider appropriate."

Kidnapped cattle dealer Paul Gogan kept in squalid conditions in Tyrone, police reveal

*More details about charges here: Livestock dealer and kidnap gang ‘runners’ get suspended sentences

 

[bi0boy]

“A man who left a 96-year-old war veteran blind in one eye after attacking him on a packed tram has been given a three-year supervision order.”

A tad on the lenient side, isn’t it? Christ, GBH against an infirm 96 year-old man; blinding him in one eye; and, probably forcing him to spend the rest of his life in a care home. The cunt should have got a custodial sentence, at the very least.

Is there any way that this sentence can be revisited; and, Stephen Gordon given an upgrade on his sentence, to say 18 months hard labour?

Was just reading this a moment ago. Guy bottled someone who he had a fight with earlier that evening, not causing severe injury. Fifteen years

A bit of a contrast to the above case

 

[pocketscience]

...18 months hard labour...

Fair enough!