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Should Windrush Square be renamed Ritzy Square?

It would be even more useful if those stores also linked back to the original debate, no?


If one cares about an issue then one wants the word to be spread as widely as possible using all available methods, no? I think it's more important, to the service of the issue, to comment on the actual blog in question rather than to just get the blog to link back to a thread.



Cheers, Brixton Hatter. Just saw your comment on the blog. With a link back to here!
 
It would be even more useful if those stores also linked back to the original debate, no?

That'd point up that Mr. nice-but-dim sources a load of his content from here, though, wouldn't it?
I suspect he'd much prefer to keep things the way they are, with him looking (to anyone who doesn't read Urban) like he's got his finger on the pulse of the area.
We'll see a lot more of it if his paper gets off the ground, too.
 
If one cares about an issue then one wants the word to be spread as widely as possible using all available methods, no? I think it's more important, to the service of the issue, to comment on the actual blog in question rather than to just get the blog to link back to a thread.
I'm happy for people to share content from these boards as wide and as far as possible but I'm never happy when - and please note I'm making a general point here - commercial entities use uncredited urban content as a means of furthering their own ventures.

Crediting the source of your stories is always good journalistic practice and good for the credibility of the site/business using it too.
 
Hi all, the original article was reporting specifically on the debate in the neighbourhood planning meeting. You're right though - it's always good to link to more debate so I've now updated the article with a link to urban. Z
 
In case anyone missed it, the Ritzy have written a response to the debate, saying they pay for the space (but now how much):

We would like to respond to the interesting debate that has been happening about our use of the space on Windrush Square.
We appreciate the concerns being raised by residents, and of course, as a public space there is plenty of room for debate and comment as to its use. To clarify briefly, we have a licence agreement with Lambeth Council which we apply and pay for annually. This has appropriate caveats to preserve the space, access through it, and its availability for community use, which we are committed to.
Our attitude to the agreement goes beyond the mere logistics and legalities however, and we feel that, as a thriving, integrated and wholly accessible part of the Brixton community, we have much to offer. We provide a clean, safe and serviced seating area for customers, local people and families. We feel that this is a positive contribution (and many of our customers agree), particularly in light of the square’s history where a small minority had something of a negative effect on the space. We aim to serve the community and have a remit to engage with local talent in our film, music and events programming, as well as offering a wide range of entertainment for the public to enjoy – our café-bars providing free wifi and a pressure-free work and meeting space for local freelancers and businesses seven days a week. Fulfilling this remit is a source of great personal pride to our staff, the majority of whom are local residents.
We lease a small part of a large space. The square is open to all and the council are no doubt open to suggestions and applications for use of the majority which remains unoccupied. We would love to see more businesses and community groups using the space, helping to build and contribute to a lively, diverse, open public arena that offers something to local residents, visitors, businesses, charities and other organisations alike.
Going forward, we definitely aim to remain (as a Twitter user so aptly said) “a respectful and family/community cinema. This is what we all want and love”.
Originally published on the Brixton Blog.

And Devon Thomas has written a good piece in response too:

Many in that community now feel that their needs are not being sufficiently considered in the developing new Brixton... Our area has become increasingly affluent and I don’t have any problems with that. Indeed, three generations of my family have now grown up in the area, with my granddaughter recently going off to university, but not all boats are rising and those that are not get more dependent on the use of public spaces such as libraries and open spaces to make their lives liveable. Let’s see how those who are the haves can contribute to those who have not in these difficult times, and let Lambeth Council address specifically how those who fought to sustain the community in early more difficult times can have their presence acknowledged and their needs catered for.

Full article here:
http://www.brixtonblog.com/comment-not-all-boats-are-rising-in-the-new-brixton/5481
 
In case anyone missed it, the Ritzy have written a response to the debate, saying they pay for the space (but now how much):
Originally published on the Brixton Blog.
And Devon Thomas has written a good piece in response too:
Full article here:
http://www.brixtonblog.com/comment-not-all-boats-are-rising-in-the-new-brixton/5481
I prefer Devon's approach - compassionate and liberal rather than the defensive nimby stuff from the Ritzy.
And please remember I opposed all this non-drinking zone stuff in the first place. The Brew drinkers just go round with their Brews in can-sized paper or plastic bags now.
Not only that - the police said at the time that they would not enforce this by-law - and they don't.
What's the point of having an un-enforcable law? Makes the law even more of an ass.
And where ARE the alkies supposed to go? I suggested at the time changing the top floor of the Popes Road car park into a managed alcoholic drop-in. Fat chance of that now - thanks to Tescos and Lambeth's section 419 - oops 106 (sorry!)
 
St Matthew's Church
That is complicated for the following reasons:
Rev Bob Nind (for it was he) decided his church was too big & wanted to help the community.
Set up a trust - the trustees were Alan Piper and Rev Ivelaw Bowman.
Mega work was done without the architects realising (or perhaps worrying) that, as a church, they needed a "faculty" - that is planning permission from the Diocese of Southwark.
They went ahead anyway and let the theatre at the top to some progressive Black drama outfit (Shaw Theatre?) who never paid any rent.
The rest of the "community spaces" were also disastrously mismanaged + the acoustics were not good for meetings etc.
It went bust - and Alan and Ivelaw nearly lost their homes since they were trustees.
Panicking the CofE got in a consultant - also a Deaconess as it was then - who also happened to be in with marketing at Nestlés plc of Croydon.
A new strategy was developed, involving going way down market and commercial.
A building manager was appointed (from the Estate Agent's opposite the town hall) and then you had the policy of letting to The Bug Bar, the Mass etc etc. Gross in my opinion, but seemingly unavoidable financially, and no doubt much to the delight of "you lot" on these boards.
The issue of drink therapy at St Matthews might be one to raise. I am planning on attending a Church Urban Fund meeting tomorrow, but this is not to do with St Matthews. I'll see if such things are on the agenda (I am simply a parishoner of another church - St John's Angell Town, so have been invited as a courtesy to me, not as an active participant).
Sorry to bore you with all that - but you need to understand that St Matthews has had a bad financial history and has really lost control of its building - all with the best possible intentions.
 
I agree with you quimmy. Posts on here which are part of the debate about the Ritzy or anything else would be useful to appear on the brixton blog. As mentioned, how many people who follow the blog, post or lurk on here. Especially if met with the usual welcome...:facepalm:

Read Brixton Blog piece on square by Devon Thomas which was quite good. It got pretty hostile comment. Blogs/ Social Networks the same everywhere. U75 is not more or less hostile than anywhere else.
 
It would be even more useful if those stores also linked back to the original debate, no?

Good point. Im not sure how happy BB would be if people kept putting up links to here on BB. U75 often has been debating issues before they get taken up elsewhere.
 
There are precisely fuck all tables in Windrush Square. The sun is out, the bike racks are full, and everyone's enjoying the space.

What day / time / full moon do I need to attend to be angry?
 
I've never quite figured out how the outside seating works. I've seen seats out there when it's not particularly nice weather, but not there when it's sunny? Maybe they were expecting rain today so didn't bother? :hmm:

Anyone know how it works?
 
There are precisely fuck all tables in Windrush Square. The sun is out, the bike racks are full, and everyone's enjoying the space.

What day / time / full moon do I need to attend to be angry?

You should take a picture anyway, so people can decide which looks better, with seats or without seats :D
 
And my point is that Brixton Hatter is quoting (elsewhere on these forums) the Environmental Services rates for pavement cafés, and yet Herr Linskey maintains that these do not apply in this case because Windrush Square is a "Park" and "Parks" have an informal agreement with the Ritzy to allow them to use the space free.
Which is correct? FOI anybody?

The chairs directly outside the Ritzy come under Streetcare for which Ritzy has a permit.

The ones under the tree come under parks.

Planning Enforcement say it not there issue as it is not fixed and is temporary structure.
 
I'm sure it *has* happened. Editor's photos prove that.

But how is it that, I pop down randomly, and the blight has magicked itself away?

It'll take alot more samples to prove this is cherry picking an argument, but right now the evidence around me is less than convincing.

Not One Single Table
 
I'm sure it *has* happened. Editor's photos prove that.

But how is it that, I pop down randomly, and the blight has magicked itself away?

It'll take alot more samples to prove this is cherry picking an argument, but right now the evidence around me is less than convincing.

Not One Single Table

they're reading this thread.
 
I'm sure it *has* happened. Editor's photos prove that.

But how is it that, I pop down randomly, and the blight has magicked itself away?

It'll take alot more samples to prove this is cherry picking an argument, but right now the evidence around me is less than convincing.

Not One Single Table
The heard you were coming with your camera and packed them all away quickly.
 
Can I just say that I like the Ritzy cafe. Sure, the staff can be a bit erratic, but I've always found them really friendly, lovely people and the coffee's not too bad either.
 
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