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Sheridans plead not guilty, trial set for January.

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I am now pretty bloody ambivalent about all this. On the one hand, Tommy's guilty (I'm not sure about his wife) and, if the Tory perjurers, Archer and Aitkin, deserved to go to prison, Tommy also deserves to go to prison. On the other hand, I no longer want him to be punished. I'd just like the whole sorry mess to end.

Unfortunately, it will now end either with an acquittal, which Tommy will claim is a vindication and will imply that all those SSP people conspired with the News of the Screws to do Tommy down or (more likely) Tommy will be convicted and sections of the left, in Scotland and beyond, will go on making fools of themselves, pretending that their hero's been betrayed and framed by traitors and 'the state'. Either way, the once briefly united Scots left will remain bitterly divided over Tommy and his daft fibs.

If only Tommy had had a lucid moment and decided not to sue the News of the Screws!
 
JHE said:
If only Tommy had had a lucid moment and decided not to sue the News of the Screws!
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look on the bright side, he was a successful politician and might have gained real power. Better he should crash and burn like this than remain squeeky clean and do what Blair did.
 
newbie said:
look on the bright side, he was a successful politician and might have gained real power. Better he should crash and burn like this than remain squeeky clean and do what Blair did.
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Nonsense - he was just another weegie on the make who managed to shelter from the world of work for a while by hanging out at Glesga Cooncil and then conned his way into the Scottish Parliament where he and his temporary chums made less of an impact than the revelation of the level of subsidy in the MSP's workers cafe..........
 
Fedayn said:
And we're off again.....
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gotta do something to while away the time. I s'pose we could propose sentencing: I'd like to see the managing director of the notw jailed for 6 months for bringing socialism into disrepute, and Sheridan given community service for being an idiot.
 
Cobbles said:
Nonsense - he was just another weegie on the make who managed to shelter from the world of work for a while by hanging out at Glesga Cooncil and then conned his way into the Scottish Parliament where he and his temporary chums made less of an impact than the revelation of the level of subsidy in the MSP's workers cafe..........
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Right dickhead, care to explain how he, and I quote, "conned his way into the Scottish Parliament", then??
 
Fedayn said:
Right dickhead, care to explain how he, and I quote, "conned his way into the Scottish Parliament", then??
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All that nauseating man o' the people schtick from someone whose definition of hardship is not being able to find enough coins for the tanning booth......

Plenty of them around in deeply working class Cathcart, mind. Nice to see that he's found a new career in stand up comedy :

http://www.boundandgaggedcomedy.com/html/stand-up-comedy-tommy-sheridan.html

"Tommy is a figure of surprise as he is currently fronting his own chat show at the Edinburgh Fringe Festival 2007 and is a top radio presenter of a talk show on Talk 107."

Oh noes - the Fringe show and Talk 107 canned him for being crap as well!!!!!!!! Maybe it's time for his trolley-dolly wife to sell her fabled "miniatures from BA flights - it's pert-o ma wages" collection to feed the fighting fund.
 
Cobbles said:
All that nauseating man o' the people schtick from someone whose definition of hardship is not being able to find enough coins for the tanning booth......

Plenty of them around in deeply working class Cathcart, mind. Nice to see that he's found a new career in stand up comedy :

http://www.boundandgaggedcomedy.com/html/stand-up-comedy-tommy-sheridan.html

"Tommy is a figure of surprise as he is currently fronting his own chat show at the Edinburgh Fringe Festival 2007 and is a top radio presenter of a talk show on Talk 107."

Oh noes - the Fringe show and Talk 107 canned him for being crap as well!!!!!!!! Maybe it's time for his trolley-dolly wife to sell her fabled "miniatures from BA flights - it's pert-o ma wages" collection to feed the fighting fund.
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So, just more idiotic bollocks from you then, ho hum, it really is groundhog day.
 
Cobbles said:
So it's not true that he's touting himself as a stand up comedian through his booking agent?

Once a joke, always a joke.
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I am, as you are more than aware, referring to your bollocks that he, as you claimed, 'conned his way into parliament'.
 
Fedayn said:
Anywhere I can read it?
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It's been posted on the UKLN. I can't see how the prosecution could hope to prove some of the counts against Tommy without calling a whole bunch of SSP leaders. The details of the charges aren't things that could conceivably be proven by other kinds of evidence.

Practically the entire leadership of the rump SSP giving Queens evidence is about the worst news possible from the point of view of anyone who wants the left to eventually get over this. If Sheridan goes down after that, the wells will be poisoned for a generation. I had been hoping that the prosecution would be mostly relying on evidence from the NotW journalist or people who claim to have seen him at the infamous club etc and would avoid calling the SSP people en masse.
 
Nigel Irritable said:
It's been posted on the UKLN. I can't see how the prosecution could hope to prove some of the counts against Tommy without calling a whole bunch of SSP leaders. The details of the charges aren't things that could conceivably be proven by other kinds of evidence.

Practically the entire leadership of the rump SSP giving Queens evidence is about the worst news possible from the point of view of anyone who wants the left to eventually get over this. If Sheridan goes down after that, the wells will be poisoned for a generation. I had been hoping that the prosecution would be mostly relying on evidence from the NotW journalist or people who claim to have seen him at the infamous club etc and would avoid calling the SSP people en masse.
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Were you really hoping that? How on earth could the trial not deal with the meeting of the SSP at which Tommy acknowleged that he had done some of the things the News of the Screws said he had? How on earth could it not deal with the minutes of that meeting and the attempt, by one of the SSPers, to withhold those minutes from the News of the Screws? How on earth could it not deal with the recorded meeting with an old comrade during which Tommy acknowleged that he was lying? And so on and so on.....

Either Tommy was lying through his teeth about loads of stuff or his comrades who did not want Tommy to sue the News of the Screws were all lying. I think you know which it is and I cannot see how anyone could expect this trial to avoid dealing with all that evidence.
 
The tags on this thread show that there's not going to be any serious discussion, merely the same entrenched nonsense, I'll come back nearer the time of the trial.
 
Yeah, come back nearer the trial and tell us that

  • all those SSPers and various other witnesses are lying through their teeth
  • the News of the Screws was and is persecuting Tommy because he's a socialist (after all the Screws never exposes anyone else's sexual antics)
  • the recording was faked and the minutes were forged
  • anyone who points out that Tommy has betrayed his comrades, lied through his teeth and destroyed the SSP is in league with Murdoch
 
Nigel Irritable said:
rump SSP
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I've read it now. I wonder if those who cheerled Sheridan into this are a tad humble tonight seeing what they've helped reap. I somehow doubt it from the shite i'm reading mind. Not to mention the cretinous little attempts at a snide elsewhere

Hmmmm.... that rump being bigger than Solidarity you mean? That rump that the SWP wanted to stand a candidate in the forthcoming by-election in Glasgow and they'd dupport the SSP candidate over anyone else? Fuck sake talk about rats and ships......

Here's the full indictment over two posts....

Thomas Sheridan, born 7 March 1964, whose domicile of citation has been specified as Paisley Road West, Glasgow, and Gail Sheridan, born 4 January 1964, whose domicile of citation has been specified as Paisley Road West, Glasgow, you are indicted at the instance of The Right Honourable Elish Angiolini, Queen's Counsel, Her Majesty's Advocate, and the charges against you are that
(1) you THOMAS SHERIDAN having raised an action of defamation in the Court of Session, Parliament House, Parliament Square, Edinburgh against News Group Newpapers Limited, 124 Portman Street, Kinning Park, Glasgow, a company incorporated under the Companies Acts, being the publisher of the News of the World newspaper, in which you alleged that on 21 November 2004 the said newspaper had published an article communicating the false idea that you had visited a "swingers club" with Anvar Begum Khan, c/o Lothian and Borders Police, Police Headquarters, Fettes Avenue, Edinburgh, and knowing that a civil jury trial had been fixed for the hearing of said action on 4 July 2006 and having on 9 November 2004 at a meeting of the Executive Committee of the Scottish Socialist Party held at 70 Stanley Street, Glasgow, attended by, among others, Colin Fox, c/o Lothian and Borders Police, Police Headquarters, Fettes Avenue, Edinburgh, admitted attending such a club and in particular Cupid's Healthclub, 13-17 Sutherland Street, Swinton, Manchester on two occasions in 1996 and 2002 and knowing that accurate minutes of the said meeting existed and had been lodged on 16 June 2006 at the said Court on behalf of the said defender and that said Colin Fox was to be called as a witness at said trial did on 18 June 2006 at the premises known as The Beanscene, 67 Holyrood Road, Edinburgh attempt to suborn said Colin Fox, to falsely depone as a witness that the minutes of said meeting were not accurate and you did thus attempt to suborn said Colin Fox to commit perjury;

Friday (2) on 21 July 2006 at the Court of Session, Parliament House, Parliament Square, Edinburgh you THOMAS SHERIDAN being affirmed as a witness in a civil jury trial of an action for defamation then proceeding there at your instance against the News Group Newspapers Limited, 124 Portman Street, Kinning Park, Glasgow as publishers of the News of the World newspaper did falsely depone: -

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a) that at a meeting of the Executive Committee of the Scottish Socialist Party held on 9 November 2004 at 70 Stanley Street, Glasgow you had not admitted you had attended Cupid's Healthclub, 13-17 Sutherland Street, Swinton, Manchester known as Cupid's on two occasions in 1996 and 2002 and that you had not admitted that you attended there with Anvar Begum Khan c/o Lothian and Borders Police, Police Headquarters, Fettes Avenue, Edinburgh;

b)/

b) that at said meeting on 9 November 2004 Alan William McCombes and Keith Robert Baldassara, both c/o Lothian and Borders Police, Police Headquarters, Fettes Avenue, Edinburgh did not state that they had previously raised the issue with you of your visits to a sex club in Manchester and that you had admitted to them that it was true;

c) that at said meeting you denied having visited a swingers' club in Manchester;

d) that Allison Kane, Keith Robert Baldassara, Alan William McCombes, Allan Green, Colin Anthony Fox, Barbara Jane Scott, Carolyn Leckie, Catriona Mary Grant, Joanna Harvie, and Rosemary Kane all c/o Lothian and Borders Police, Police Headquarters, Fettes Avenue, Edinburgh had lied in evidence during said civil jury trial when each gave evidence that: -

they had heard you admit at said meeting on 9 November 2004 that you had visited said Cupid's in Manchester; and

they heard it being stated at said meeting on 9 November 2004 that Alan William McCombes and Keith Robert Baldassara had previously raised the issue with you of your visits to a sex club in Manchester and that you had admitted to them that it was true;

e) that you had not admitted in 2002 to said Alan William McCombes and Keith Robert Baldassara that you had attended a sex club in Manchester;

f) that you did not say at the said meeting held on 9 November 2004 that you were not prepared to resign as convener of the Scottish Socialist Party unless there was proof that you had attended a sex club in Manchester and that you did not believe that there was any evidence to prove that you were lying about not attending said club;

g) that in a pub known as the Golden Pheasant,2 Stepps Road, Kirkintilloch on or around Friday 12 May 2006 you were not given the minutes of the said meeting of 9 November 2004 to read;

h) that said Alan Green lied during his evidence in said civil jury trial that in said pub known as the Golden Pheasant on or around 12 May 2006 he had shown you the minutes of the said meeting of 9 November 2004;

i)/

i) that there was not an event on 14 June 2002 or at any other time at the Moathouse Hotel, Congress Road, Glasgow organised by Matthew McColl, c/o Lothian and Borders Police, Police Headquarters, Fettes Avenue, Edinburgh which you attended along with Andrew McFarlane, c/o Lothian and Borders Police, Police Headquarters, Fettes Avenue, Edinburgh at which you and said Andrew McFarlane went into a bedroom with a girl and had sexual relations with said girl;

j) that Helen Todd Allison and Lily Anne Colvin both c/o Lothian and Borders Police, Police Headquarters, Fettes Road, Edinburgh lied in their evidence during said civil jury trial when each gave evidence that you were at the Moathouse hotel with said Andrew McFarlane;

k) that a conversation between you and said Keith Robert Baldassara had not taken place when said Keith Robert Baldassara had asked you about "madness" somewhere in a hotel in Glasgow and that you said to him that you did not participate, but were present at the event when a lady from Birmingham was brought in;

l) that said Keith Robert Baldassara lied in his evidence during said civil jury trial that he had asked you about "madness" somewhere in a hotel in Glasgow and that you said to him that you did not participate, but were present at the event when a lady from Birmingham was brought in;

m) that you had not attended said Cupid's in Manchester along with Andrew McFarlane, Gary Clark, Anvar Begum Khan and Katrine Trolle all c/o Lothian and Borders Police, Police Headquarters, Fettes Avenue, Edinburgh towards the end of 2001, or had ever visited a swingers' club;

n) that you had an affair with said Anvar Begum Khan in late 1992 for six months only and that you did not have a sexual relationship with her from 1994 to 2002; and

o) you never had a sexual relationship with said Katrine Trolle and had never been with her in the house occupied by you at Paisley Road West, Cardonald, Glasgow or with her at Kingennie Court, Dundee;

the truth being as you well knew, that on 9 November 2004 at the Executive Committee meeting of the Scottish Socialist Party held at 70 Stanley Street, Glasgow, you did admit to attending said Cupid's in Manchester on two occasions in 1996 and 2002 and that you had visited said club with said Anvar Begum Khan;

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that at said meeting it was stated by said Alan William McCombes and Keith Robert Baldassara that they had previously raised the issue of you attending a sex club in Manchester and that you had admitted to them that it was true;

that at said meeting you did not deny having visited a swingers' club in Manchester;

that said Allison Kane, Keith Robert Baldassara, Alan William McCombes, Allan Green, Colin Anthony Fox, Barbara Jane Scott, Carolyn Leckie, Catriona Mary Grant, Joanna Harvie and Rosemary Kane had not lied in evidence during the said trial when they each gave evidence that: -

i) they had heard you admit at said meeting on 9 November 2004 that you had visited the said Cupid's in Manchester on two occasions and

ii) they had heard it being stated that said Alan William McCombes and Keith Robert Baldassara had previously raised the issue with you of your visits to a sex club in Manchester and that you had admitted to them that it was true;

that: -

i) on 3 November 2002 in the course of a journey between Glasgow and Edinburgh you did admit to said Keith Robert Baldassara that you had attended a sex club in Manchester;

ii) on an occasion between 4 November 2002 and 31 December 2002, at the City Chambers, George Square, Glasgow, you did admit to said Alan William McCombes that you had visited a club for swingers in Manchester and

iii) on 1 November 2004 at the City Chambers, George Square, Glasgow, you did admit to said Alan William McCombes and Keith Robert Baldassara that you were the MSP referred to in the News of the World article published on 31 October 2004 and that you had attended said Cupid's in Manchester with said Anvar Begum Khan;

that you did state at the said meeting held on the 9 November 2004 that you were not prepared to resign as convener of the Scottish Socialist Party unless there was proof that you had attended the said Cupid's in Manchester and that you did not believe that there was any evidence to prove that you were lying about not attending said club;
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Ther emboldened bit is a tragedy that Sheridan surely knew would be found out?!


G)/

that on 12 May 2006 at the premises known asThe Golden Pheasant, 2 Stepps Road, Kirkintilloch said Allan Green did show you the minutes of the said meeting of the 9 November 2004;

that said Allan Green had not lied during his evidence during said civil jury trial that on 12 May 2006 he had shown you the minutes from the said meeting on 9 November 2004 at said premises known as The Golden Pheasant, 2 Stepps Road, Kirkintilloch;

that you did attend the said Moathouse Hotel on 14 June 2002 at an event organised by said Matthew McColl along with said Andrew McFarlane at which you and said Andrew McFarlane went into a bedroom with Beverly Anthea Dixon, c/o Lothian and Borders Police, Police Headquarters, Fettes Avenue, Edinburgh and you did have sexual intercourse with said Beverly Anthea Dixon;


that said Helen Todd Allison and Lily Anne Colvin had not lied during their evidence during said civil jury trial when they said that they had seen you at the said Moathouse Hotel with said Andrew McFarlane;

that between 15 June and 15 July 2002, both dates inclusive, at the City Chambers, George Square, Glasgow, said Keith Robert Baldassara did ask you about "madness" somewhere in a hotel in Glasgow and you stated to said Keith Robert Baldassara that you had been present at said Moathouse Hotel when a lady from Birmingham had been present and that this event had been organised by said Matthew McColl for said Andrew McFarlane;

that said Keith Robert Baldassara did not lie in evidence during said civil jury trial that between 15 June and 15 July 2002, both dates inclusive, at the said City Chambers, George Square, Glasgow, that he had asked you about "madness" in a hotel in Glasgow and that you had said to him that you had been present at the Moathouse Hotel when a lady from Birmingham had been present and that this event had been organised by said Matthew McColl for said Andrew McFarlane;

that on 27 September 2002 you did attend said Cupid's in Manchester with said Andrew McFarlane, Gary Clark, Anvar Begum Khan and Katrine Trolle and that you had visited a club for swingers;

that between 1 January 1994 and 28 September 2002 you did have a sexual relationship with said Anvar Begum Khan; and

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that between 1 January 2000 and 31 December 2005, both dates inclusive, you did have a sexual relationship with Katrine Trolle, that she had been in the house occupied by you at Paisley Road West, Cardonald, Glasgow with you and that you had stayed overnight with her at 16 Kingennie Court, Dundee;

Monday (3) on 31 July 2006 at the Court of Session, Parliament House, Parliament Square, Edinburgh, you GAIL SHERIDAN being sworn as a witness in a civil jury trial of an action for defamation then proceeding there at the instance of Thomas Sheridan, MSP, your husband, residing at Paisley Road West, Cardonald, Glasgow against News Group Newspapers Limited, 124 Portman Street, Kinning Park, Glasgow as publishers of the News of the World newspaper did falsely depone: -

that you saw and spoke to Katrine Trolle, c/o Lothian and Borders Police, Police Headquarters, Fettes Avenue, Edinburgh, at the Scottish Socialist Party Conference held in Perth in 2005, and that said Katrine Trolle told you there that the News of the World had been at her door, asking her if she had had an affair with Tommy Sheridan and had offered her money and that she hugged and kissed you and touched your "tummy";

that you had checked your diaries and the diaries of said Thomas Sheridan for November 2001 and November 2002 and that the entries confirmed that you had been at home overnight during every weekend in November 2001 and November 2002;

that you could recall that you spent every weekend in November 2001 and November 2002 with said Thomas Sheridan;

that you were present and witnessed said Thomas Sheridan on an occasion telephoning Directory Enquiries and asking for the telephone number of Cupid's Health Club, 13-17 Sutherland Street, Swinton, Manchester known as Cupid's and said Thomas Sheridan telephoning the said Cupid's;

that your aunt, Annie Healy c/o Lothian and Borders Police, Police Headquarters, Fettes Avenue, Edinburgh arrived into Scotland from the United States of America on 14 June 2002;

that said Thomas Sheridan was in your company during the whole of the evening of the 14 June 2002 and returned home with you after midnight on 15 June 2002; and

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that you and said Thomas Sheridan visited Andrew McFarlane c/o Lothian and Borders Police, Police Headquarters, Fettes Avenue, Edinburgh, at his home at 216 Tweedmuir Road, Glasgow after 10pm on the 14 June 2002 when said Andrew McFarlane and James McManus c/o Lothian and Borders Police, Police Headquarters, Fettes Avenue, Edinburgh were present there between that time and when you left with said Thomas Sheridan after midnight on the 15 June 2002;

the truth being as you well knew,

that you did not see or speak to said Katrine Trolle at the Scottish Socialist Party Conference held in Perth between 11 and 13 February 2005 and that the said Katrine Trolle did not tell you that the News of the World had been at her door asking her if she had an affair with Tommy Sheridan and had offered her money and said Katrine Trolle did not hug and kiss you and touch your "tummy";

that you had recorded in your diary that you had travelled to Miami on Tuesday 20 November 2001 and you were in Miami on the weekend of 24 and 25 November 2001 and that said Thomas Sheridan had recorded in his diary that you were away between 21 and 28 November 2001;

that you were in Miami on 24 and 25 November 2001 and you did thus not spend every weekend in November 2001 with said Thomas Sheridan;

that on 23 November 2001 you were not present on the occasion when said Thomas Sheridan phoned directory enquiries and said Cupid's in Manchester;

that your aunt, said Annie Healy arrived in Scotland from the United States of America on 12 June 2002;

that you were not with said Thomas Sheridan during the whole of the evening of 14 June 2002; and

that you were not in the company of said Thomas Sheridan, Andrew McFarlane and James McManus within 216 Tweedmuir Road, Glasgow continuously between 10pm on 14 June and 1am on 15 June 2002.
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Part of me thinks Sherriden is a fool and it is a case of you made your bed now you lie in it

The other part of me looks at who he is facing - the state, the News of the World - and thinks, I hope you win.
 
Divisive Cotton said:
Part of me thinks Sherriden is a fool and it is a case of you made your bed now you lie in it

The other part of me looks at who he is facing - the state, the News of the World - and thinks, I hope you win.
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The trouble with the latter point is that it was Sheridan who invited the state into this; the previous court case was a defamation case brought by Tommy. What's wrong with that? Well, in order to prove something false which he knew to be true, he had to drag his comrades, his former lovers, his party, through the mud of his making and call them liars. In other words, he sacrificed others (and his party) for his ego.

Should the News of the World be writing stories about Tommy's sex life? No, of course not. But then he knew that one of the women he frequented swingers' parties with was a NotW journalist. That was probably part of the thrill. Who knows. But in the end he destroyed the most successful parliamentary socialist party since the ILP, and stabbed his comrades in the back (including one who was prepared to - and actually did - go to jail rather than hand over evidence).

This is a mess of his making, and the way he has behaved has been appalling, so I'll shed no tears if he is eventually convicted.
 
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