Serbia military building up along Kosovo border
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Dom Traynor
Tino Pai
Moldova
gosub
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Friend G told me she was aware Kosovo formal recognition became a non starter after Crimea as mood in UN turned against break aways. Given armament Belgrade is coming out of Russia and China that's the UN neutered. Not good
dylanredefined
Not a house elf a tiger
What's their end game? I thought Serbia was being welcomed back into the European fold. I know the RN had a mission over there making friends partners for peace etc. Population of Kosovo still hate them.
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
The ethnic Serbian population of Kosovo probably have a more nuanced attitude towards Serbia.
dylanredefined
Not a house elf a tiger
steeplejack
trapped lbw for a duck
It wouldn't- there'd simply have been others. Much as Tito was / is a hero of mine his politics are now about as relevant as those of Lord Salisbury's.
steeplejack
trapped lbw for a duck
Vučić has stated that he "fears" further provocations in Kosovo, Montenegro and the RS entity in BiH in 2024. It's autocrat speak meaning that he intends fermenting further discord in all three territories.
Von der Leyen was humiliated in a recent news conference with Vučić, who starkly told journalists in her presence that the movements of the Serbian army and its day to day orders were a matter for him alone.
The EU and US is reaping the whirlwind from its disastrous policy of appeasement towards Vučić, turning a blind eye to his maneovres in the hope that Serbia's being in good standing with them and the international community matters.
They've been asleep at the wheel as China has increased its presence markedly in the fomer Yugoslavia- notably Serbia, BiH and North Macedonia- through trade & infrastructure projects. The Russians have also been on diplomatic maneovres but to be honest I think the significance of those has been over-stated.
Serbian support for EU membership amongst the voters has declined markedly in recent years and the EU is widely seen in the region as untrustworthy, duplicitous and moralising in rhetoric whilst pretty nasty in reality. Moreover, with the focus having shifted to try and bring the conflict in Ukraine to an end, and with the global diplomatic corps focused on that and the unfolding crimes against humanity in Palestine, ex-Yugoslavia is absolutely no-one's priority. The clientilist relationships that have been in place since the wars of Yugoslav succession in the 1990s are altering rapidly and with profound consequences for the region.
Autocrats like Vučić have seen Israel commit war crimes and genocide in Gaza and nothing has happened- the international community has not taken action. He will have noted that carefully. Whilst nothing can be guaranteed, it wouldn't surprise me at all if something military happens in ex-Yu next year. I fervently hope not, but the political mood is currently bleak and the influence of the US and EU, with their current absurd policy, weakens day by day.
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
What would be your message to ethnic Serbs living in that bit of the North that has a Serbian majority?
mentalchik
"I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit."
Bit like the ethnic Serbs that were living in the Krajina when Croatia was recognised as independant....my ex-inlaws came from there and lost family in the terrible aftermath that was never mentioned in the media at the time.....people were burnt out of their homes.....my ex mil lost a cousin (burnt in his home) whilst his wife fled in just her nightie......i really hope all this doesn't start up again
dylanredefined
Not a house elf a tiger
steeplejack
trapped lbw for a duck
Well the speaker of the parliament of Montenegro, together with the "equivalent" in the RS entity of Bosnia and the speaker of teh Serbian parliament, have apparently signed a secret declaration aiming at the estalishment of a confederal "Union of Serbian Countries"- the agreement signed in mid-November.
Very alarming indeed- full article here
I expect some sort of incident either next year or the following year at the latest.
Very alarming indeed- full article here
I expect some sort of incident either next year or the following year at the latest.
not-bono-ever
meh
As much as some of here are into history/ historians and can join too many dots sometimes, this is an iffy move even if it doesnt amount to much
steeplejack
trapped lbw for a duck
Vučić yesterday gave his view on how he sees 2024 shaping up for Serbia, on a TV discussion programme. Not only does he absolve Milošević from any blame for the events of the 1990s (all caused by "the West" apparently), he ridicules other ex-Yugo state leaders for aligning their foreign policy with the EU.
Most damningly, he seems to be hoping for an alignemnt of the stars; the continued fraying of Western resolve in Ukraine together with military setbacks, followed by a Trump victory over Biden. Whilst not explicitly stating it, he spends much time lavishing prise on Aliyev and the Azerbaijani reclaiming of Nagorno Karabakh. Take away: he is hoping for a favourable alignment of the geopolitical stars enabling him to "take back what is divinely ours".
Makes the European and American appeasement of Vučić at the expense of Kurti, look even more ludicrous, to be honest. Vučić increasingly can't be bothered with the pretence of going along with their agenda.
In short it seems absolutely fanciful 1. that there won't be escalation of events in Kosova and (perhaps) eastern Bosnia, together with diplomatic initatives to hollow out the independence of Montengro, in the next 1-2 years. 2. Much less clear that there is any appetite in an over-stretched NATO / "West" to confront it or do anything in response. Trump certainly would shrug and do fuck all.
RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
Kremlin welcomes Aleksandar Vucic's victory in Serbian elections
The Kremlin has welcomed the victory claimed in parliamentary elections by Serbian leader Aleksandar Vučić’s party (see earlier post at 08.32).Vučić said on Sunday his Serbian Progressive Party (SNS), which has been in power since 2012, won the vote, while official results are expected late on Monday.
Opposition parties have claimed electoral fraud favouring the government, and called for a recount.
“We welcome this achievement from Vučić,” Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov told reporters.
Peskov, who referred to Serbia as a “brotherly” country, said Moscow hoped the result would lead to the “further strengthening of friendship” between the countries.
Serbia and Russia have historically close ties, with Belgrade not joining international sanctions against Moscow for its full-scale invasion of Ukraine last February.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
think memories are long and we still have some spare stormshadows with the GPS upgrade Vucic won't live to regret starting some shit
Thousands accuse Serbia’s ruling populists of election fraud at a Belgrade rally
December 30, 2023
December 30, 2023
Can't find much from last week. Is there popular support for the protests?
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