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I think they're planting a hedge there, that's what was in the renderings. Who clears up the mess in any other flat development?

Depends whether the mess is definitively within the development or not. I suppose that if the vomit/cans and bottles/turds are on the non-street side of the hedge, then they belong to Barratts/the managing agents!
 
I hope they don't put planters there, because otherwise every pissed-up nightlife-visitor is going to be be boaking or pissing in them, or worse.
I'd be all for it as it would give the garden outside the Barrier Block a rest from the all the cunts from the village pissing all over it.
 
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such as filling them with cans and bottles. If so will Barratts lease-holders have to pay to clear up the mess - or Lambeth council tax payers?
The lazy fuckers building the Barratts development have left a pile of rubbish scattered all over the gardens opposite after every single lunch hour.
 
I gather the complaint about the Legoland flats is they are too plain and not challenging enough.
It's worse than that: they are an example of rotten design and bad architecture.
I will be pleased if the "legoland" label sticks, though.
 
What is under the curved roofs at back of BS?
There is really nothing in the square, one the right hand side there is a raised community seating social area and the rest of the square contains a few benches a bike shed and bin sheds, nothing too exciting, but the gardens look great and has a relaxing air about it.
 
It's worse than that: they are an example of rotten design and bad architecture.
I will be pleased if the "legoland" label sticks, though.
Ahhhh the penthouses, I asked the electrician what they were like, he said they are really small they have a mezzanine floor but he prefers the standard two bed apartments. I still need to have a nose though.

Were in one of the one bed mezzanine flats. It is quite small (but so was our old flat) but there is at least good storage, and there is only 2 of us so its fine. We initially wanted one of the other one beds, but they were all gone by the time we reserved.
 
Do let us know if you do;).

Been watching the development go up from the Mansions.

BTW Mr Bim & loulou82 welcome to Brixton.:)
Cheers Gramsci, I was only living a stones throw away anyway but appreciate the sentiment.
Moved in yesterday, I had shelves to put up lights etc, flat pack furniture to assemble, Barratts send one of their carpenters to my apartment for six hours to do all the work for me FREE OF CHARGE. I'm still In shock, then they said once all my furniture is in give then a call and they will paint the whole apartment again in case the removal men have scuffed the walls. SOMEONE WAKE ME UP, ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC SERVICE.
 
Cheers Gramsci, I was only living a stones throw away anyway but appreciate the sentiment.
Moved in yesterday, I had shelves to put up lights etc, flat pack furniture to assemble, Barratts send one of their carpenters to my apartment for six hours to do all the work for me FREE OF CHARGE. I'm still In shock, then they said once all my furniture is in give then a call and they will paint the whole apartment again in case the removal men have scuffed the walls. SOMEONE WAKE ME UP, ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC SERVICE.
Mr Bimmmmmm! Neighbour!!! I can't believe they did that, such great service. They really seem to understand follow up customer care. So happy!
 
I feel like a little soap opera is unfolding in front of my eyes. And I mean "soap opera" in its original sense.
 
You could but you know thats not the case.
Well who knows really?

On a serious note, why DO you think the gates were put there? Maybe I'm naive, but I honestly don't think they thought "lets keep the plebs out", do you?? Heck I AM a pleb....I mean I can either be considered an expat or an immigrant depending on the argument. I just think these sort of developments with gates are what new builds are like now. I don't think it signifies any sort of segregation, and I dont think someone conciously built (or bought) the place with those intentions. I just think a private courtyard is simply a selling point now, like a garden.
 
Well who knows really?

On a serious note, why DO you think the gates were put there? Maybe I'm naive, but I honestly don't think they thought "lets keep the plebs out", do you?? Heck I AM a pleb....I mean I can either be considered an expat or an immigrant depending on the argument. I just think these sort of developments with gates are what new builds are like now. I don't think it signifies any sort of segregation, and I dont think someone conciously built (or bought) the place with those intentions. I just think a private courtyard is simply a selling point now, like a garden.
Who mentioned "plebs"? or segregation for that matter not me, The gates are not there for cosmetic purposes are they. As you have just stated they are a selling point and you pay for them and they serve a purpose, ie. keeping people out, keeping you safe in a poor and volatile area.
 
Who mentioned "plebs"? or segregation for that matter not me, The gates are not there for cosmetic purposes are they. As you have just stated they are a selling point and you pay for them and they serve a purpose, ie. keeping people out, keeping you safe in a poor and volatile area.

When did I ever say you or anyone else mentioned plebs or segregation? That phrase was in quotation marks to represent a fictional thought of someone in the barratt team.

In my eyes, the purpose they serve is to create a private garden, which is a selling point in a crowded city. We agree that they do keep people out, but it has nothing to do with safety from poor people, but everything to do with privacy. If those gates weren't there, I still would be (and I'm sure not just me) which kind of nulls your argument.
 
Well who knows really?

On a serious note, why DO you think the gates were put there? Maybe I'm naive, but I honestly don't think they thought "lets keep the plebs out", do you?? Heck I AM a pleb....I mean I can either be considered an expat or an immigrant depending on the argument. I just think these sort of developments with gates are what new builds are like now. I don't think it signifies any sort of segregation, and I dont think someone conciously built (or bought) the place with those intentions. I just think a private courtyard is simply a selling point now, like a garden.
I think Sir Laurie Barratt was greatly influenced by the Islamic design period in Cordoba (obviously on a coach trip from his regular spot in Marbella). The new generation are keeping the concept alive - in tribute to their late founder's excellent period taste.
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Who mentioned "plebs"? or segregation for that matter not me, The gates are not there for cosmetic purposes are they. As you have just stated they are a selling point and you pay for them and they serve a purpose, ie. keeping people out, keeping you safe in a poor and volatile area.
I think it was I - and if so I stand by my comments!
 
I think Sir Laurie Barratt was greatly influenced by the Islamic design period in Cordoba (obviously on a coach trip from his regular spot in Marbella). The new generation are keeping the concept alive - in tribute to their late founder's excellent period taste.
There are numerous gated communities in Marbella that may have inspired Sir Laurie without any need to travel to Cordoba which ealier times was a gated and walled city.
 
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Who mentioned "plebs"? or segregation for that matter not me, The gates are not there for cosmetic purposes are they. As you have just stated they are a selling point and you pay for them and they serve a purpose, ie. keeping people out, keeping you safe in a poor and volatile area.
you did #2179
 
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On the subject of gates IMHO the ultimate failed urban design in central Brixton is Metropolitan Housing Trust's Vining Street regeneration scheme, which destroyed some old shops capable of renovation and replaced them with this:
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Worse they blotted out one of the most original of the famous Brixton Murals. Note also how well matched the styles are.Roger Tullet (for it was he) assured residents and the Brixton Society that this marvellous new development would blend in very well with the adjacent Edwardian and Victorian buildings.
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The initial resulting design became a sort of mugger's paradise/crack den. So Roger's team of architects "enhanced" it making it a sort of dispersed gated community.
I think it's about time Roger Tullet was invited onto Desert Island Discs. My suggestions:
1. The Foundry by Mossolov
2. Autobahn by Kraftwerk
3. The Message by Grand Master Flash
4. The Waste Land by TS Elliott (read by the author)
5. Don Giovanni - ghetto version produced by Peter Sellars
6. "Take Me away" from the Dream of Gerontius sung by Richard Lewis
7. Homes fit for Heroes - Edgar Broughton Band
8. Walk on the Wild Side - Lou Reed
 
From a non-professional perspective on the relative architectures of the yellow balcony buildings and BS, I go past the yellow balcony buildings every work day, and they've grown on me. I'm quite fond of them if I'm honest. Whereas when someone posted pictures of the BS courtyard earlier in the thread it reminded me of a hall of residence.

Agree with CH1 's post above, that those caged houses at the bottom of Rushcroft Road are pretty grim.
 
Mark Clare, Barratt Developments CEO was interviewed this morning on a Radio 4 programme called "The Politics of Architecture".
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The interview did not touch on Brixton Square - rather they were discussing "Cathedral View" - a naff addition to the mediaeval town of Ely, Cambridgeshire.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03hvql5
 
I read a book that had a section in it called 'The Privatization Of Common Fates' which discussed how the concept / idea of privatisation can extend into domestic life.
The gated community is a prime example.
Not everyone is consciously trying to exclude or segregate (although some are happy to), but the consequent effect of security / gates/ CCTV is precisely that.
The need for high security is largely a psychological one, and allowing this attitude to permeate your outlook leads to societal decay.
I'm reminded of Banksy's gag: "Crimewatch has ruined the countryside".
 
I read a book that had a section in it called 'The Privatization Of Common Fates' which discussed how the concept / idea of privatisation can extend into domestic life.
The gated community is a prime example.
Not everyone is consciously trying to exclude or segregate (although some are happy to), but the consequent effect of security / gates/ CCTV is precisely that.
The need for high security is largely a psychological one, and allowing this attitude to permeate your outlook leads to societal decay.
I'm reminded of Banksy's gag: "Crimewatch has ruined the countryside".

Two thousand posts in and people are still rattling on about "gated communities", based on the pathetically simplistic premise that because this development has a gate, it is therefore a gated community and subject to the criticisms (quite reasonably) aimed at the kind of communities that that term refers to in common parlance when discussing urban development and design.

The kind of gated communities that operate as enclaves designed to isolate their residents from their surroundings, that are studied as indicators of massive wealth disparity, the privatisation of urban space and so on, are not blocks of flats with a modestly sized residents-only communal area. A block of flats with a modestly sized communal area only accessible to its residents is a long-established and common arrangement in cities across the planet, and certainly not unusual in any way in London. It's an arrangement that is common in many types of housing from social housing through to private developments and through many different eras.

A true gated community is one where the residents simply do not need to engage with the area outside their gates, either because (a) within the gates there are various amenities such as shops, leisure facilities and so on, or (b) because they enter and exit from it in the safety of their car which can take them directly to amenities elsewhere. Or some combination of (a) and (b). In other words it's an arrangement that effectively allows people to circumvent the need to use "public" space (except perhaps whilst in their car on a public highway) if they so wish.

That is obviously not the case here, and it's pretty disingenuous to try and hijack the terminology of "gated communities" in an attempt to make this development seem much more sinister than it is. The residents of this development will be coming and going by foot, via that notorious gate, and passing directly onto the street just like anyone else living on Coldharbour Lane, whether they live in the Barrier Block, in a mansion/tenement flat, terrace house or whatever. When they want to go to the shops, go for a drink, get the bus, get the tube to work, they will step onto the street just like anyone else. They aren't living in some segregated world with no need to venture beyond their own privatised amenities. If they were slipping in and out of a giant underground carpark in fancy cars (or any cars), then it would be a bit different, and then perhaps the term "gated community" would be a little more apt. But that's not what this is.

In fact I would argue that someone with a car living in a semi-d somewhere in suburban zone 6 would have much greater capacity to live the "gated community" lifestyle than anyone living in this development; a much greater likelihood to ignore their local area and the facilities within it.

The fact that the private courtyard looks like it's going to be actually quite pleasant seems to be taken as a target for criticism...how dare these people have a pleasant communal area? It feels to me like it would draw less ire from some on here if it was just a utilitarian car park - which is a pretty bog-standard feature of lots of housing developments. It's ok to gate off the courtyard at the back of the legoland building, apparently, because it's a car park and it's uncontroversial to have a private parking area (never mind the fact that it's also blocked to pedestrians). If there's going to be a courtyard I'd rather it was one designed to be a pleasant area for the shared use of residents than something to facilitate private car ownership and all the harm that does.

By the way it goes pretty hard against my grain to be defending the design of a Barratts development, given some of the stuff they do, both in terms of their general approach to design, and all the business with dodging the affordable housing requirements in this particular case.

It's right that people should make a noise about the changes to the planning conditions that they pursued and Lambeth allowed. If people google Brixton Square and find out about that history, and it deservedly tarnishes Barratts reputation, that's good. But it's a bit embarrassing that half the thread is just going round in circles with this simplistic notion that it's a "gated community" and giving the impression that's what people are, or should be, het up about. Get a grip urban75.
 
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