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leanderman said:
If gated blocks really are so undesirable, they should be denied planning.

It's not the fault of those who buy flats in them. The gates are probably not top of their checklist when looking for a home.
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Completely agree it isn't the 'fault' of the buyers. In fact I don't think gated blocks in town centre locations should be given planning permission- I can't see a positive to them, for the town, or community or (in the longer term) the residents. However, I suppose Lambeth don't have the power to refuse on the basis of gates (even if they wanted to)
 
editor said:
You seem to be constantly referring to these generic homeless people in a thread about your development in Brixton, so I was wondering where they actually all are because I don't see them in your street. And if you're saying they're not here, why are you going on about them so much?
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I talked repeatedly about homeless people, IN GENERAL, all around London, period, in response to someone else's comment about homeless people in windrush square. I dont know how i can possibly make it any clearer for you, but I'm sure that's just my fault...
 
Strangerdanger said:
I talked repeatedly about homeless people, IN GENERAL, all around London, period, in response to someone else's comment about homeless people in windrush square. I dont know how i can possibly make it any clearer for you, but I'm sure that's just my fault...
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So we're agreed then. There are barely any homeless people in Windrush Square and even less on Coldharbour Lane, so going on about them in a discussion about this specific development is something of a total red herring, yes?
 
TruXta said:
I agree that there seems to be less of a junkie presence these days - makes me wonder where they've all gone/been shifted to.
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Lots in the high trees estate at the top of tulse hill. The police after I was attacked last year advised me to avoid that estate.
 
Strangerdanger said:
Ah. See we all judge don't we? OK can I change my comments from people with big prams being douchebags to people in North London with big prams being douchebags then? Still a judgment, but probably also fact.
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Ah, the good old north London/south London divide. Something often debated on here. Are all north Londoners versions of the archetypal "Hoxton Twat"? I neither know nor care, because they live on the wrong side of the river! ;)
 
tommers said:
Isn't all this exactly the same as any other wave of immigration? "Oh, they're all separate! They keep themselves to themselves! They're changing the area! Local people are being forced out! We've lived here all our lives!"
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As has been said by many of us on this thread and previous threads, the last 3-5 years has seen a "torrent", compared to light rain in the previous 20 years. It's hard for the wider community to deal with because it isn't gradual, and can feel like "our" community is having the rug pulled from under us. Even on the council estates, we're labouring under the threat that Lambeth Council will sell off the green spaces on estates as developable land. What has happened at Myatts Field, and is being investigated at Cressingham Gardens could be a borough-wide phenomenon.
 
Mr Bim of Bar said:
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That's a fair point, but you also must appreciate that the vast majority of people who have bought in BS WANT a gated development mostly for security reasons, Windrush Square now has a large homeless community and an alcoholism meeting venue

No blacks no dogs no Irish, I don't think they were living in the posh bit do you ?
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So, because of your spurious crybaby fears (some of us have lived here for 2 decades or more with very little hassle from the homeless, or from street drinkers) you think you're entitled?
What you want is the cachet of Brixton, without having to actually rub shoulders with the locals, some of whom are homeless, or may be street drinkers. Pathetic.
 
ViolentPanda said:
So, because of your spurious crybaby fears (some of us have lived here for 2 decades or more with very little hassle from the homeless, or from street drinkers) you think you're entitled?
What you want is the cachet of Brixton, without having to actually rub shoulders with the locals, some of whom are homeless, or may be street drinkers. Pathetic.
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Don't mind rubbing shoulders with what you call locals, but choose not to rub shoulders with drunks and druggies, if that's pathetic then so be it.
 
editor said:
Does it occur to you that those, "drunks and druggies" are part of the community that you've just moved into, and some of those "drunks and druggies" may well be residents of your very own block? Or are certain sorts of drunks fine with you - like the ones you'll see on Coldharbour Lane at 4 in the morning - so long as they're part of a demographic you like?
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The ones usually pissing and puking in shop doorways, while shouting what sounds like "rah! rah! rah!" at each other, do you mean?
 
Mr Bim of Bar said:
Don't mind rubbing shoulders with what you call locals, but choose not to rub shoulders with drunks and druggies, if that's pathetic then so be it.
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Do you socialise with anyone who is a problematic drinker or has drugs issues? I suspect you do, even if you don't know about their problem, given that about 1 in 12 people have alcohol or non-prescription drug issues serious enough to earn them a "drunk" or "druggie" tag. What you won't admit is that when it's people you know, the issues of drink and drugs aren't so threatening as when they're attributed to people you don't know.
Pretty much a classic example of bigotry.
 
ViolentPanda said:
Do you socialise with anyone who is a problematic drinker or has drugs issues? I suspect you do, even if you don't know about their problem, given that about 1 in 12 people have alcohol or non-prescription drug issues serious enough to earn them a "drunk" or "druggie" tag. What you won't admit is that when it's people you know, the issues of drink and drugs aren't so threatening as when they're attributed to people you don't know.
Pretty much a classic example of bigotry.
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Why are you surmising who I know and who I don't know, and then you tell me what I won't admit ,then you call be a bigot. You must be MYSTIC MEG
 
Manter said:
I am seeing lots of for sale and sold signs outside the tulse hill estate andCressingham gardens. I know a % are sellable, under right to buy etc, but it makes me wonder how much of the 'council estate' stock is actually council.
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About a quarter of all Lambeth's social housing stock has been lost through Right to Buy. When viewing that fraction, bear in mind that into the early '90s, Lambeth Council officers did their very best to delay, obfuscate or otherwise frustrate Right to Buy sales, whereas neighbouring boroughs such as Wandsworth and Southwark got into selling off right from when Thatcher's govt revised RtB legislation in '83 and '84.
 
Mr Bim of Bar said:
First you don't know what I look like, second drunks and druggies are a security risk, most burgularies are committed by this group,thirdly I'm not intimidated by you or anyone I see on the street, I have lived here for years, I am sociable but if indeed I don't won't to engage with the community then that's my choice, and no concern if yours. I'm certainly not going to suck up to you or anyone else just to make you happy. I have my opinions and so do you, that's life
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Bim, you're what criminologists call a "fuckwit".
Most "burgularies" [sic] are committed by professional burglars, not by pissheads or crackheads, who are far more likely to engage is street theft or shoplifting to facilitate their addiction.
 
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