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Manter said:
That is just infuriating. Too much badly maintained and decrepit housing, sure- some ugly and intimidating estates, sure. But that's not the fault of it being social housing, it's the fault of it being badly maintained, badly lit, badly policed and badly managed- which is their bloody fault!
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Besides which, the only reason they're able to say that Lambeth has "too much" is because after Thatcher kicked the Greater London Council to death, the boroughs inherited the GLC's social housing. In Lambeth's case, that was (IIRC) a dozen or so large estates and some smaller ones added to their roster (with bugger-all in the way of extra funding for maintenance etc, because of the rates cap).
"Too much" is relative. Of course, what some of those councillors mean is "there's enough social housing that it's a block to taking the borough further upmarket". :facepalm:
 
teuchter said:
You just need to remember that Brixton through the lens of U75 does not necessarily represent the view of all or even most Brixton residents, long term or otherwise. Especially if you're telling people off for not knowing about or being interested in the history of Cooltan or the nuclear dawn mural. You'll find plenty of very long-term residents of Brixton in whose life and Brixton experience Cooltan played no significant role. It so happens that U75 is largely populated by a demographic who went to all-night parties there in their youth, which is why you'll hear a lot about it on here.
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ViolentPanda

Thanks to VP for highlighting that.

I didn’t. More into going to cinema. Not that sociable.

:D
 
What kind of evidence do you want? You rejecting the notion that urban75 and a significant portion of its postership have connection to the ideals and worldview that are tied up with squatting, free parties, self-organised community activism and so on that (based on what I've read about it here) were part of what cooltan was all about?

Are you objecting to my suggestion that the impression you might get of Brixton, and what matters to people who live there, by reading only urban75, would be a somewhat slanted one?

Are you actually interested in discussing the point being made, or maybe you are just "limbering up for a dull nitpicking exercise"?
 
teuchter said:
What kind of evidence do you want? You rejecting the notion that urban75 and a significant portion of its postership have connection to the ideals and worldview that are tied up with squatting, free parties, self-organised community activism and so on that (based on what I've read about it here) were part of what cooltan was all about?
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LOL at that awesome swerve and piece of chicanery!

Here's what you said again:
Especially if you're telling people off for not knowing about or being interested in the history of Cooltan or the nuclear dawn mural. You'll find plenty of very long-term residents of Brixton in whose life and Brixton experience Cooltan played no significant role. It so happens that U75 is largely populated by a demographic who went to all-night parties there in their youth, which is why you'll hear a lot about it on here.
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Would you care to name some of the active posters from the majority of the urban75 community who went to Cooltan's 'all night parties' because I'm struggling to think of more than a handful. I'm certainly struggling to think of many who apparently still go on about the place here, like you claimed.

Or, alternatively, you could just admit that you're talking silly tosh about something you know little about, and then we can get right back on topic.
 
teuchter said:
What kind of evidence do you want? You rejecting the notion that urban75 and a significant portion of its postership have connection to the ideals and worldview that are tied up with squatting, free parties, self-organised community activism and so on that (based on what I've read about it here) were part of what cooltan was all about?

Are you objecting to my suggestion that the impression you might get of Brixton, and what matters to people who live there, by reading only urban75, would be a somewhat slanted one?

Are you actually interested in discussing the point being made, or maybe you are just "limbering up for a dull nitpicking exercise"?
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So now it's a "significant portion" of Urbanites "who have connections...", rather than the boards being "largely populated" by "...a demographic who went to all-night parties in their youth"?

As ever, you teeter to the edge, then realise you're about to fall into a pit of your own making, then desperately row back. Of course, you'll furiously protest that both descriptions mean the same thing.
But I suspect that you and I (and maybe other posters too!) know that they're not.
 
I'm unable to 'prove' my initial statement because it's imprecise, I never went to a cooltan party and I don't know most U75 members personally. I am perfectly happy to retract it and replace it with the other one, if it troubles you so.

Now tell me how this affects the general point I was making to equationgirl. Because I know how fervently you and Mr. editor despise tedious nitpicking and point-scoring.
 
teuchter said:
I'm unable to 'prove' my initial statement because it's imprecise, I never went to a cooltan party and I don't know most U75 members personally. I am perfectly happy to retract it and replace it with the other one, if it troubles you so.
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It's not 'imprecise.' It's completely inaccurate and untruthful bollocks that you posted up in an attempt to belittle and dismiss any opinions expressed here that you don't agree with.

And yes, that was exactly the 'general point' you were trying to make: i.e. the opinions of the majority of posters here are biased, skewed or unrepresentative of Brixton because they supposedly all went partying at Cooltan.

It was a stupid, crass attempt at smearing other posters and it's deservedly backfired spectacularly on you.

Now if you've finished with your clueless analysis of the demographics of this board, can we get back to the actual topic under discussion? Thanks.
 
Why is suggesting that posters on U75 went partying at cooltan a "smear"? Is there something wrong with having gone to parties at cooltan? You're taking your tilting at windmills to new extremes now.

You're so desperate to dismiss anything I say that you are effectively now arguing that it's "clueless" to suggest that a large portion of u75 posters would feel aligned with what cooltan represented.
 
teuchter said:
I'm unable to 'prove' my initial statement because it's imprecise, I never went to a cooltan party and I don't know most U75 members personally. I am perfectly happy to retract it and replace it with the other one, if it troubles you so.

Now tell me how this affects the general point I was making to equationgirl. Because I know how fervently you and Mr. editor despise tedious nitpicking and point-scoring.
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It affects the very basis of your "general point". :facepalm:
 
teuchter said:
Not actually interested in discussing the point being made, then. There's a surprise.
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I will say it again.

I am long standing poster on this site. I am not part of this demographic:

It so happens that U75 is largely populated by a demographic who went to all-night parties there in their youth, which is why you'll hear a lot about it on here.
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I have no idea about this Cooltan thing but I get the feeling that everyone here - bar me - likes, and goes to, the Albert!
 
Sigh.
At Beresford Residential estate agents in once-edgy Brixton in South-West London, it is a different story altogether. A two-bedroom terrace house in this scruffy part of the capital now goes for between £400,000 and £500,000.

It’s an astonishing turnaround for a part of the city once tainted with a chequered history that includes race riots and drug peddling — it was once described as a 24-hour crack supermarket by the local police chief superintendent.

Prices have risen by 15 per cent over the past 12 months. As soon as a property goes on the market, the agency is flooded with inquiries. There are 100 potential buyers for every home.

Often a house is sold following a bidding war between hopefuls, and frequently the sale is decided only by sealed bids.

Adam Day, branch manager, says: ‘The market has just gone through the roof. There is not a huge amount of property out there, so there is much more competition. This area has completely shed its reputation very quickly.’
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Reckon it will keep going too. Two stops from Vauxhall where the huge new Chinese and US embassies, as well as others, are going in. Very, very convenient for them.
 
teuchter said:
You seem very keen to disassociate yourself with that demographic, gramsci .... why?
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I am not "disassoiating" myself from a demographic. I was not part of the demographic. Are you saying I am part of that demgraphic despite not going to all night parties and Cooltan?
 
Gramsci said:
I am not "disassoiating" myself from a demographic. I was not part of the demographic. Are you saying I am part of that demgraphic despite not going to all night parties and Cooltan?
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Nope, and I never did. Which was why I found it curious that you felt the need to point it out twice that you were not part of a group that I never said you were part of.
 
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