Royal Veteran/Loughborough Park Tavern on Coldharbour Lane/ Moorlands Rd SW9

[editor]

I found it on a couple more maps and it looks like a cul-de-sac behind the large building facing CHL, entry from Sussex Road.

Could you post up those maps? The pub - and the Royal Veteran whatever that was - was set back off Coldharbour Lane so it could be that Zoar Place was the name for that strip.

There's no mention of a Post Office in the 1870 or 1894 maps though.

 

[boohoo]

of no help at all really....

This looks like the empty site of the pub in 1980.

 

[Pickman's model]

Could you post up those maps? The pub - and the Royal Veteran whatever that was - was set back off Coldharbour Lane so it could be that Zoar Place was the name for that strip.

There's no mention of a Post Office in the 1870 or 1894 maps though.

the 1870 & 1894 maps are quite hot on pub locations.

 

[boohoo]

Might be something on Sam the wheels footage...

 

[editor]

To recap: it's definitely been a pub since 1870. It was definitely the Loughborough Park Tavern, possibly previously called the Royal Veteran, or that may have been an earlier hall.

Here's a rather spartan 1850 map I've just found. Atlantic Road is a footpath!

 

[Pickman's model]

To recap: it's definitely been a pub since 1870. It was definitely the Loughborough Park Tavern, possibly previously called the Royal Veteran, or that may have been an earlier hall.

Here's a rather spartan 1850 map I've just found. Atlantic Road is a footpath!

that's a skeleton os map. the other ones i've seen are from 1848, perhaps they started in north london and worked their way down.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Could you post up those maps? The pub - and the Royal Veteran whatever that was - was set back off Coldharbour Lane so it could be that Zoar Place was the name for that strip.

I'm thinking that's a good possibility. There's loads of places up Brixton Hill and Streatham Hill (and elsewhere obviously) that have names for particular blocks (or parades of shops), but those names are very rarely used in their addresses nowadays.

 

[boohoo]

I'm thinking that's a good possibility. There's loads of places up Brixton Hill and Streatham Hill (and elsewhere obviously) that have names for particular blocks (or parades of shops), but those names are very rarely used in their addresses nowadays.

Like all the different mansions on Coldharbour Lane - Carlton, Clifton, etc...

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm thinking that's a good possibility. There's loads of places up Brixton Hill and Streatham Hill (and elsewhere obviously) that have names for particular blocks (or parades of shops), but those names are very rarely used in their addresses nowadays.

those are subsidiary names which were generally abolished by the 1950s: have a look in the london county council street names books which you'll find in the lambeth archives. but you don't find subsidiary names listed on os maps - although the map in the op's not an ordnance survey map.

 

[editor]

Here's a 1916 map showing a clear space in front of the pub (you can see the tram lines too)

 

[editor]

I've just spotted a Clarewood Mews too. It's nice to know that the current name has some relation to the area, even if the street plan and buildings have been flattened.

 

[editor]

Hello. What are these "ruins" that are visible in the 1952 map (highlighted by green arrow)?

I don't think this area was bombed.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

those are subsidiary names which were generally abolished by the 1950s: have a look in the london county council street names books which you'll find in the lambeth archives. but you don't find subsidiary names listed on os maps - although the map in the op's not an ordnance survey map.

Yeah, my dentist in Streatham still uses it. Remember having a nightmare trying to find where they were located because of the way they'd written the address (ie. Leigham Hall Parade)

 

[Pickman's model]

Hello. What are these "ruins" that are visible in the 1952 map (highlighted by green arrow)?

I don't think this area was bombed.

when you visit the archives make sure to consult the bomb damage maps they should have. or i can tell you tomorrow

 

[editor]

The ruins are still there in 1960, and the pub has got its name displayed.... (I could do this all night - there's so much info to be found in maps!)

 

[editor]

when you visit the archives make sure to consult the bomb damage maps they should have. or i can tell you tomorrow

I've checked the V2/V1 sites and there's nothing there, but if you can have a look that would be appreciated.

 

[boohoo]

Nice houses that made way for the Barrier block

unfortunately we aren't further enough along the road in this view!

 

[Pickman's model]

The ruins are still there in 1960, and the pub has got its name displayed.... (I could do this all night - there's so much info to be found in maps!)

there were lots of places which weren't cleared for bloody years after the war - not surprising when you see how much was bombed. anyway, i'll have a gander in the afternoon

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Hello. What are these "ruins" that are visible in the 1952 map (highlighted by green arrow)?

I don't think this area was bombed.

2 houses demolished on Loughborough/Barrington according to this (24 July 1944). Few bombs hit other areas of SW9 but I don't recognise the street names myself

http://www.flyingbombsandrockets.com/V1_summary_sw4and9.html

 

[editor]

Here's the 1975-77 map. Everything's gone!

 

[Pickman's model]

have you had a look in the victoria county history online at http://www.british-history.ac.uk/?

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

The ruins are still there in 1960, and the pub has got its name displayed.... (I could do this all night - there's so much info to be found in maps!)

I'm not good at maps. You're totally losing me with all these maps

I'm also now confused. I'm not sure whether I'm looking at Coldharbour Lane, Loughborough Road or Zoar Place any more. I have so many sodding windows open

 

[Pickman's model]

2 houses demolished on Loughborough/Barrington according to this (24 July 1944). Few bombs hit other areas of SW9 but I don't recognise the street names myself

http://www.flyingbombsandrockets.com/V1_summary_sw4and9.html

yeh: but you're looking at v1s and that. most of the damage was done years before v1s and v2s, during the 1940-41 period.

 

[editor]

Nice houses that made way for the Barrier block

unfortunately we aren't further enough along the road in this view!

I did a 'then and now' for that view:

http://www.urban75.org/brixton/history/coldharbour3.html

 

[boohoo]

I did a 'then and now' for that view:

http://www.urban75.org/brixton/history/coldharbour3.html

Those houses look lovely. A trip to the archives always has me wincing at some of the nice looking buildings that have come down to be replaced by horrible modern blocks.

 

[miss minnie]

Whitbread's Map Of London 1865

 

[miss minnie]

Stanford's Map Of Central London 1897

Looks less like an alley and more like a garden on this map...

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Hello. What are these "ruins" that are visible in the 1952 map (highlighted by green arrow)?

I don't think this area was bombed.

yeh: but you're looking at v1s and that. most of the damage was done years before v1s and v2s, during the 1940-41 period.

Yes, but that was in response to Ed's map as shown above, although I have no idea now what road had a "ruins" mark on it as I'm now totally brain dead. Probably Loughborough Road (or was it Coldharbour?). Shit, I don't know anymore. I need to stop this

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Zoar Place is in 1851 Lambeth Street Index, but not 1941

also there in 1861 and 1871

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Well I've discovered there was a No. 5 Zoar Place in 1854, same type of shop as the one listed earlier

Frederick Archer Stone, of No, 164, High-street, Southwark, Grocer and Tea Dealer, then of No. 26, Barrington-crescent, Brixtoh, Lambeth, out of business, then of No. 5, Zoar-place, Cold Harbour-lane, Brixton aforesaid, Grocer and Commercial Traveller, then and now residing at No. 7, East-cottages, Wellington-road, Stockwell Lambeth, carrying on business at No. 5, Zoar-place aforesaid, all in Surrey, as a Grocer and Cheesemonger.