R Kelly 2019 sexual abuse case

[IC3D]

It was there for all to see in his music videos back in the day

 

[Dillinger4]

Bill Cosby - convicted rapist
Michael Jackson - trial by media convicted child abuser
R Kelly - on trial for statutory rape

Jeffrey Epstein - convicted child abuser, out on a plea deal after an exceptionally short sentance no public crucifixion, no 4 hour prime time documentaries or rolling news stories, even though his case is far more disturbing in all sorts of ways than any of the above

 

[likesfish]

epstein has a whole host of very rich and powerful people who don't want their names besmirched including Prince Andrew. HMG does not want the royal family linked to child abuse

 

[Pickman's model]

Bill Cosby - convicted rapist
Michael Jackson - trial by media convicted child abuser
R Kelly - on trial for statutory rape

Jeffrey Epstein - convicted child abuser, out on a plea deal after an exceptionally short sentance no public crucifixion, no 4 hour prime time documentaries or rolling news stories, even though his case is far more disturbing in all sorts of ways than any of the above

there's still time for epstein to be publicly crucified

 

[SpookyFrank]

Bill Cosby - convicted rapist
Michael Jackson - trial by media convicted child abuser
R Kelly - on trial for statutory rape

Jeffrey Epstein - convicted child abuser, out on a plea deal after an exceptionally short sentance no public crucifixion, no 4 hour prime time documentaries or rolling news stories, even though his case is far more disturbing in all sorts of ways than any of the above

Epstein's deal is currently being investigated. It's pretty clearly not OK to grant immunity to parties unknown for crimes unknown.

Immunity and plea deals are usually used to help build a case against a bigger fish, but if the bigger fish are explicitly let off the hook then there's no justification for a sweetheart deal. I wouldn't rule out British state involvement in this shitshow considering the name of one of the 'parties unknown'.

 

[Dillinger4]

there's still time for epstein to be publicly crucified

I hope so.

 

[killer b]

I'm not sure we could safely say that any of the cases mentioned were swiftly and satisfactorily brought to conclusion tbf.

 

[Pickman's model]

I hope so.

perhaps to a nine inch nails song, which would seem appropriate

 

[Reno]

Bill Cosby - convicted rapist
Michael Jackson - trial by media convicted child abuser
R Kelly - on trial for statutory rape

Jeffrey Epstein - convicted child abuser, out on a plea deal after an exceptionally short sentance no public crucifixion, no 4 hour prime time documentaries or rolling news stories, even though his case is far more disturbing in all sorts of ways than any of the above

The first three are celebrities, known to much of the general population. There is a four hour documentary out on Jackson because he was one of the most famous people on the planet. Most people would have no idea who Jeffrey Epstein is. HBO wouldn't put up the money the Jackson documentary cost, because not nearly as many people would watch it.

 

[Dillinger4]

I hope so but I am extremely sceptical about how far any investigation into Jeffrey Epstein can realistically go.

I don't think we will be seeing 4 hour tell all documentaries about this on channel 4 any time soon.

I'd like to see names named in this investigation, no matter how powerful and well connected they are, but all I can see is a whitewash.

Personally I think the Jeffrey Epstein case goes deeper even than any of the influential names currently linked to it and links to some of the more unpleasant revelations about offshore money, intelligence services and a few other things that have been revealed in the past say 30 years but that is when I get into speculative terrain.

 

[Dillinger4]

The first three are celebrities, known to much of the general population. There is a four hour documentary out on Jackson because he was one of the most famous people on the planet. Most people would have no idea who Jeffrey Epstein is.

But the people who flew on his plane, his friends who stayed at his house and went to his parties, these are some of the biggest names in the world, bigger than Bill Cosby, R Kelly and Michael Jackson.

 

[Dillinger4]

I'm not sure we could safely say that any of the cases mentioned were swiftly and satisfactorily brought to conclusion tbf.

But endlessly picked apart in the media.

I don't know it's not like the press havent talked about Jeffrey Epstein, but any discussion is a lot more hesitant, whereas the other cases seem almost gleeful in the way they are reported

 

[Reno]

But the people who flew on his plane, his friends who stayed at his house and went to his parties, these are some of the biggest names in the world, bigger than Bill Cosby, R Kelly and Michael Jackson.

The general population care about that an awful lot. What they do care about if someone famous committed crimes. There wouldn’t be a documentary about Jackson had he merely known a paedophile. These famous people's morals may have been questionable (stop the press!), but they didn't commit what is considered among the worst crimes imaginable.

 

[killer b]

But endlessly picked apart in the media.

I don't know it's not like the press havent talked about Jeffrey Epstein, but any discussion is a lot more hesitant, whereas the other cases seem almost gleeful in the way they are reported

Kelly and Jackson are two of the biggest pop stars in the world, and we've known they're nonces for decades, both of them - but up until recently, discussion of Kelly has been very hesitant indeed. Jackson has been dead and beyond suing for 10 years, and this is the first significant attempt to reckon with his history of abuse.

 

[Sue]

Another allegation. He's certainly very unlucky, with all these women and girls lying about him.

R Kelly accused of sexually abusing 13-year-old girl in 2001 incident

 

[likesfish]

Epstein may yet get his the Florida deal is falling apart. spooks will have loved a billionaire nonce they could get their hooks into him and all his noncey friends but given enough publicity they will leave him hanging he was a juicy source but only a source not even an agent and their life is usually short.

 

[Dillinger4]

Epstein may yet get his the Florida deal is falling apart. spooks will have loved a billionaire nonce they could get their hooks into him and all his noncey friends but given enough publicity they will leave him hanging he was a juicy source but only a source not even an agent and their life is usually short.

It will be a limited hangout, and as limited as possible in this case.

 

[likesfish]

We Shall see if the deal fails and juicy details start emerging take a one-way dive off his yacht may be in his future planned or not

 

[Lurdan]

(This was in my RSS reader - I think the original source is here).

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I have to give it to Gayle King. She was calm as a Hindu cow.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Epstein may yet get his the Florida deal is falling apart. spooks will have loved a billionaire nonce they could get their hooks into him and all his noncey friends but given enough publicity they will leave him hanging he was a juicy source but only a source not even an agent and their life is usually short.

A useless source at this point, if source he ever was. I doubt he's getting so many celebrity guests these days, even Trump has figured out he's toxic.

 

[MickiQ]

It's worth a watch, the video is only about 10 mins long and only about 7 of it is the interview, the woman is an outstanding interviewer she remains calm and composed throughout and keeps asking him difficult questions, Him losing his cool and jumping up for a good shouty rant at the camera is very telling. He's clearly a man who has become accustomed to getting his
own way and believes he can bully his way out of trouble. Aside from the sheer number of accusations against him, his whole attitude is that of someone who has been backed into a corner.

 

[likesfish]

A useless source at this point, if source he ever was. I doubt he's getting so many celebrity guests these days, even Trump has figured out he's toxic.

His party invite list would be spook gold dust

 

[8ball]

He's very used to his emotional incontinence and manipulation working, isn't he.

Did seem to have some obvious tells, although I'm always a little cynical about that kind of thing.

One big thumping tell in particular, which I'm sure many watching (or those who take an interest in body language, anyway) were agog at (I certainly was).

It's not an "ah, you did that, gotcha!" thing, though. He is undone by the way, as he loses his composure, his body language grows to increasingly contradict what his mouth is saying.

He catches himself doing it too, which I think is what sets off the tantrum.

It will make for an excellent piece of academic material.

 

[twentythreedom]

One big thumping tell in particular, which I'm sure many watching (or those who take an interest in body language, anyway) were agog at (I certainly was).

It's not an "ah, you did that, gotcha!" thing, though. He is undone by the way, as he loses his composure, his body language grows to increasingly contradict what his mouth is saying.

He catches himself doing it too, which I think is what sets off the tantrum.

It will make for an excellent piece of academic material.

Too right. There's one bit where he's saying "yes, that's right" sorta thing while shaking his head. That one stood out.

 

[krtek a houby]

I have to give it to Gayle King. She was calm as a Hindu cow.

Wasn't she just. But how staged was Kelly's meltdown? Not convincing, at all. From the clips I saw, at any rate.

 

[ShiftyBagLady]

Wasn't she just. But how staged was Kelly's meltdown? Not convincing, at all. From the clips I saw, at any rate.

The impression I got was that he lost his temper and emotion got the better of him but he realised it and tried to cover it up as an earnest outburst of emotion. He seems to be very self consciously pointing his body away from the interviewer so that he doesn't appear threatening on camera. The whole thing was an act.
The interviewer says (in another video where she interviews the women in question) that he snuck in the room and was standing behind a screen the whole time she interviewed the women, coughing at times so they know he was there. He's guilty as sin. If he were not then he wouldn't feel the need to observe/control the women like that.

 

[DaveCinzano]

The interviewer says (in another video where she interviews the women in question) that he snuck in the room and was standing behind a screen the whole time she interviewed the women, coughing at times so they know he was there. He's guilty as sin. If he were not then he wouldn't feel the need to observe/control the women like that.

Hang on, wasn't he interviewed in his own Chicago Trump Tower apartment? Surely the women would have been interviewed elsewhere?

 

[8ball]

Too right. There's one bit where he's saying "yes, that's right" sorta thing while shaking his head. That one stood out.

Yeah, that was one of them. I counted 8 quite interesting bits of body language there during the phase where he was relatively “in control”.

Like any competent liar, I think he mixed in a good amount of truth with the lies. For example, I don’t think he has a “cult”, or at any rate he doesn’t believe he does.

 

[ShiftyBagLady]

Hang on, wasn't he interviewed in his own Chicago Trump Tower apartment? Surely the women would have been interviewed elsewhere?

Nope, apparently they were there together