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So you agree with VP then?
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So you agree with VP then?
Crispy
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Not sure. I'll see what he says first
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
I'd be happier with Sir Trevor if he could be consistent even when it isn't politically convenient for him.
Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
I wasn't so much thinking of the people who slot into your neat pigeonhole as those who don't.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
You're not wrong there. Housing costs mainly.
Throughout the southeast and southwest of England, too. Unaffordable or only marginally-affordable for a significant minority of the population.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Particularly Giles.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
I don't know about, and won't speak for, anyone else, but I'd like people who'd integrate with the wider community, not just form their own subculture built around Brixton's "trendiness" quotient.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
How is it divisive to them? Will they rend their clothes and beat their chests because they're not included in my "neat pigeonhole"?
Hardly.
TruXta
tired
You did stress the transience of London earlier, so just on that score you're always gonna get lots of people who live here for 1-2-3 years and then up sticks - it's not that easy to integrate into the wider community for these.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Yeah, sure, but what I'd hope for is that people moving here were "settlers" rather than visitors. Vain hope, I'm well aware, particularly as developments like the Villaage are targeting BtLers.
TruXta
tired
Some people need/want to move around, and for that reason alone you don't want them here? Seems a bit harsh.
To be fair, the Millwall type has a vague point. There are very few folks on here who were born and bred anywhere near Brixton - back in the distant days of the past I remember some fruity arguments on here with InfoStella and others, slightly bemused that they showed such distaste for gentrifying incomers despite being drawn from much the same stock, albeit a few further years down the road. That's not say that I don't share some reservations about the rate of gentrification, but there's a slightly unhealthy belief from some that they're 'real Brixtons' - that the drawbridge should be pulled up after them/that the new types are generally feckless incomers with no taste or regard for the area's history. It all seems a bit artificial
On the whole I still don't think of most of the Urban 75ers on here as particularly typical of Brixton, a few long termers excepted. You could always spot the Urban gatherings sticking out like a bit of a sore thumb, rather than blending into the background of Brixton's locals and other venues.
On the whole I still don't think of most of the Urban 75ers on here as particularly typical of Brixton, a few long termers excepted. You could always spot the Urban gatherings sticking out like a bit of a sore thumb, rather than blending into the background of Brixton's locals and other venues.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
I stated a preference, not a diktat, you church-burning devil-worshipper!
As said earlier, a community made up of people with no investment in the community except as a place to shit, sleep, shower and shave isn't much of a community.
Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
Can I gently suggest then that one way to encourage people to do this is not to speculate on a local bulletin board that most people who've bought property here recently (perhaps from the early 2000s on) have done so to buy access to a local culture because of its "genuineness"?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
I'm not "real Brixtons". I've lived here for only a third of my life, although the rest, bar a couple of years, have been within a 3k radius of the Town Hall, and I've visited Brixton (and Walworth and Camberwell) all my life.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
You can gently suggest whatever you like. It's not for me to stop you!
Manter
Lunch Mob
I sort of agree with vp. Even though I think that means I am volunteering to be driven out of Brixton by people with burning torches....
I chose Brixton because it seemed to have a life outside mine- it wasn't a commuter dormitory, but a proper community (and one in which I could afford to live, and where I was unlikely to stumble across (m)any of my colleagues, who I have quite enough of during the week). That is a sort of genuine-ness, and yes, that attracted me. The Northerner moved here because I lived here. We have only just started thinking about community (er, six years... We may be a bit slow on the uptake) so yes, we may be those people who are e problem.
Expressing myself v badly here. Will try again later
I chose Brixton because it seemed to have a life outside mine- it wasn't a commuter dormitory, but a proper community (and one in which I could afford to live, and where I was unlikely to stumble across (m)any of my colleagues, who I have quite enough of during the week). That is a sort of genuine-ness, and yes, that attracted me. The Northerner moved here because I lived here. We have only just started thinking about community (er, six years... We may be a bit slow on the uptake) so yes, we may be those people who are e problem.
Expressing myself v badly here. Will try again later
Plumdaff
joy in people
Someone way back said that they thought that BTL wasn't an issue in Brixton - it really is already, and is likely to get worse. Forget the Victorian terraces that always form so much of the discussion of the local housing market, who do you think has been and still is buying up the one to three bedroom flats, not just at 'Brixton Square'? The ones that used to form the bottom of the housing ladder but people now struggle to rent?
Another point, only anecdotally, but four families with children under 5 in my immediate social circle who live or lived in Lambeth have moved or are moving in the past two years, including us. At the root of that is housing, but it will have a huge knock on in education too, given we were all state school users or prospectives. I have loved this area and have always shared it with the very rich - I've lived in Stockwell and there have always been very well to do people just down the road. It was the mix that made the place, and it's that which is going. I'm very positive about my new start in a new city but I wil always have a soft spot for Stockwell and Brixton and I do wonder how much it will have changed when I come back for visits.
Another point, only anecdotally, but four families with children under 5 in my immediate social circle who live or lived in Lambeth have moved or are moving in the past two years, including us. At the root of that is housing, but it will have a huge knock on in education too, given we were all state school users or prospectives. I have loved this area and have always shared it with the very rich - I've lived in Stockwell and there have always been very well to do people just down the road. It was the mix that made the place, and it's that which is going. I'm very positive about my new start in a new city but I wil always have a soft spot for Stockwell and Brixton and I do wonder how much it will have changed when I come back for visits.
TruXta
tired
Nah, I know exactly what you mean.
leanderman
Street Party: July 2
One positive, and perhaps under-appreciated, development in this debate is Lambeth's new restriction on the conversion of houses into flats.
Such conversions have wrecked many streets, including mine, by encouraging transience.
Such conversions have wrecked many streets, including mine, by encouraging transience.
leanderman
Street Party: July 2
That, technically, is buy-to-let! And is very common around here.
Manter
Lunch Mob
happen to own and let, surely?
Alternatively, playing Devil's avocado, that also helps to maintain high property prices and helps appeal to a different, more monied demographic. Not many bar the (very) wealthy can afford a full house now.
If anything, it was the transitory and slightly downtrodden nature of Brixton's housing stock that encouraged a bit of a community feel, from the squats to the need for folks to entertain on the street and the shebeens of the frontline. And it was the improvement of that housing stock that helped cause the first wave of caribbean migration out of Brixton - few of the original windrush generation settlers could afford to take on big refurbishment projects on victorian terraces and were increasingly drawn out to the suburbs, attracted by greener spaces and more modern housing.
If anything, it was the transitory and slightly downtrodden nature of Brixton's housing stock that encouraged a bit of a community feel, from the squats to the need for folks to entertain on the street and the shebeens of the frontline. And it was the improvement of that housing stock that helped cause the first wave of caribbean migration out of Brixton - few of the original windrush generation settlers could afford to take on big refurbishment projects on victorian terraces and were increasingly drawn out to the suburbs, attracted by greener spaces and more modern housing.
leanderman
Street Party: July 2
happen to own and let, surely?
True. That's why I re-edited, not to be rude - and hypocritical!
Manter
Lunch Mob
we didn't in the end, because it seemed too much hassle. And you're right, probably more of a nightmare for people renting to have your home taken away when they break up/eventually decide to buy together and need the money
Manter
Lunch Mob
this is one of the reasons Brixton is SO attractive to people now- houses haven't been ruined by 'improvements'- they still have mouldings, fireplaces, stained glass, old doors- sure they have damp, rot, and more damage than you can shake a stick at, but the bones of them haven't been ruined by 70s and 80s 'improvements'. Think this, as well as the village etc etc makes it attractive now. and there are a lot of houses that can be bought as full houses (as lots of the flat conversions have been, um, rudimentary at best).
Mrs Magpie
On a bit of break...
I think you'll now find it's Penge (pronounounced Pong- gay) le trou du cul de Londres.At the end of the day it's still "Penge, arsehole of south London" though, isn't it?
