Pop Brixton (formerly Grow Brixton) Pope's Road development

[Rushy]

The more cynical may wonder if the amount of people visiting this establishment and paying in Brixton Pounds is likely to reach double figures in a week, or a month, But - hey! - good job on spreading the PR!

Another super local firm too!

There is a party you can vote for to stop these Johnny foreigner upstarts.

ETA they're there their error.

 

[Twattor]

I can see exactly why people make take umbrage at a New Zealand wine importing business setting up shop in what was supposed to be a local, community-based 'green' initiative, but I can't say I've seen much "aggression" towards the owner at all.

I don't want to get into an argument with you. I don't want to pick over semantics. I'm on the phone, it isn't conducive to internet searches to support an argument. The facts as I recall: folks were less than welcoming to NZ girl. The reaction to her made me feel uncomfortable. She's just a girl, living in London, who wants to do something for herself. Good luck to her. Don't be a hater.

 

[Spymaster]

I have to admit that I harbour an intense indifference to the whole container thing;having passed them by in East London and been subjected to the hyperbole, I was underwhelmed by the idea of the epidemic spreading here.

The recent posts on this thread have done little to change my opinion. Saying that, I am saddened by the aggression towards NZ wine girl, who I don't think has done anything to merit it. I am also really pleased to hear that the lovely couple that do tapas outside Craft have now got their own place (they have been threatening to bugger off to Brockley for months). I'm told the ramen people next door also have a tin box to call their own.

Much as I dislike the concept, I like these people and I'm glad they will be staying around.

Agree with this. It looks like a bunch of enterprising young folk having a go at small business and, by the looks of the crowds, doing alright.

Good luck to them.

 

[madolesance]

'Pop Brixton', the great walled "Community". All inside will feel safe from the Brixton that surrounds them.

 

[editor]

I don't want to get into an argument with you. I don't want to pick over semantics. I'm on the phone, it isn't conducive to internet searches to support an argument. The facts as I recall: folks were less than welcoming to NZ girl. The reaction to her made me feel uncomfortable. She's just a girl, living in London, who wants to do something for herself. Good luck to her. Don't be a hater.

That's fair enough, but I take exception at the suggestion that there's been mass "aggression" shown to her here, and I also can't go along with this emotive and rather patronising "she's just a girl" stuff.

She's a well connected, intelligent and successful businesswoman who had no problem accessing some fairly substantial funds to set up her international business.

I have no feelings either way if her venture is successful or not and I certainly don't hate her in the slightest. I find that suggestion rather insulting, to be honest.

 

[editor]

There is a party you can vote for to stop these Johnny foreigner upstarts.

No, I'm not having this personal shit starting up again. Stop now.

 

[ViolentPanda]

So would I.

Same here!

 

[ViolentPanda]

Oh, c'mon ed; folks have been moany about her for a while. I'm sure you and I have discussed this before, but I'm not going to search the forums to make a point. She's come here, she's setting up a business, and I'm sure it will be cheaper to employ locals who pay tax and feed back into the local economy than to employ tax exiles

Moaning and questioning quite what her business model had to do with Pop's originally-stated aims, isn't "aggression". it's moaning and questioning.

 

[ViolentPanda]

double post

 

[ViolentPanda]

I don't want to get into an argument with you. I don't want to pick over semantics. I'm on the phone, it isn't conducive to internet searches to support an argument. The facts as I recall: folks were less than welcoming to NZ girl. The reaction to her made me feel uncomfortable. She's just a girl, living in London, who wants to do something for herself. Good luck to her. Don't be a hater.

She's a woman, not a girl. A woman with the backing of some of NZ's largest vineyards. Casting her as a stranger in a strange land, beset by "haters" is downright falsehood.

 

[Twattor]

That's fair enough, but I take exception at the suggestion that there's been mass "aggression" shown to her here, and I also can't go along with this emotive and rather patronising "she's just a girl" stuff.

She's a well connected, intelligent and successful businesswoman who had no problem accessing some fairly substantial funds to set up her international business.

I have no feelings either way if her venture is successful or not and I certainly don't hate her in the slightest. I find that suggestion rather insulting, to be honest.

Broadly I don't think we disagree, so don't be tetchy at me. I've always taken the position that it is better for folks who have inspiration and a viable business plan to have a crack and good luck to them. Although I don't drink wine, I will admit to having an irrational affection towards NZ wine girl simply because it is a defining part of her life that she wants to be part of our world

 

[Twattor]

She's a woman, not a girl. A woman with the backing of some of NZ's largest vineyards. Casting her as a stranger in a strange land, beset by "haters" is downright falsehood.

What do you have to do to qualify for an ViolentPanda approved enterprise? I'd give her a go.

 

[Spymaster]

She's a woman, not a girl. A woman with the backing of some of NZ's largest vineyards. Casting her as a stranger in a strange land, beset by "haters" is downright falsehood.

Do we know that this is the case and that she's importing the wine direct from the makers? Most small businesses like hers don't. They buy the wine from wholesalers here or in France. A friend of nine had a business selling wine to restaurants. He was one man and a van working off his kitchen table. He never made much money, he just liked wine and tried to make a job out of it. Unfortunately it didn't work out and he's now an English teacher.

If this young woman had all the international connections and backing that have been spoken of on here I doubt she'd be flogging her wares to the public from a container in Brixton.

More likely she's just a Kiwi with a love of wine, trying to make herself a small space in a very competitive business.

 

[Mr Retro]

The New Zealand wine importers in particular have been held up for what some people think is bad about Pop in general. And I suppose whatever you think about them per se it's a good "poster boy" for those who dislike Pop.

I spoke to them a few times and they are hard working, professional, genuinely nice people. I'm inspired by them getting this venture up and running. Emigrants coming to London with a dream and seeing it through? It's what the city has always been about, it's what this city allows people to do and why I love it.

 

[Spymaster]

I spoke to them a few times and they are hard working, professional, genuinely nice people. I'm inspired by them getting this venture up and running. Emigrants coming to London with a dream and seeing it through? It's what the city has always been about, it's what this city allows people to do and why I love it.

Quite. The city was built on this kind of thing.

The animosity towards her is because she's selling wine. From Pop. If she was knocking out cider from a khazi round the corner and had friends on U75, she'd be being lauded on these boards and Urbs would be queuing to support her!

 

[DietCokeGirl]

The animosity towards her is because she's selling wine. From Pop. If she was knocking out cider from a khazi round the corner and had friends on U75, she'd be being lauded on these boards and Urbs would be queuing to support her!

I think it's more to do with the fact that she has loads of rich backers, making it far from a DIY start-up that people expected POP would host.

 

[Spymaster]

I think it's more to do with the fact that she has loads of rich backers, making it far from a DIY start-up that people expected POP would host.

Ah, ok. Who are the backers?

What do posters here actually know about the structure of her business?

 

[superfly101]

I think it's more to do with the fact that she has loads of rich backers, making it far from a DIY start-up that people expected POP would host.

Contacts taken from working for 10 years in the London restaurant trade using family and crowd funding to finance it.

http://www.one-to-watch.com/melanie-brown/

Personally I wouldn't be seen dead without a good sized quaff of Lambeth Lambrini, Brixton Bordeaux or the ladies favourite Peckham Pino.

 

[Spymaster]

Contacts taken from working for 10 years in the London restaurant trade using family and crowd funding to finance it.

http://www.one-to-watch.com/melanie-brown

So she started the business from home, 1 year ago, using her and her husbands savings, the knowledge she gained from working with wine at Providores, and contacts she's developed.

What's the unacceptable bit of that?

 

[Maharani]

This was already posted but here you are again:

http://www.brixtonbuzz.com/2015/04/...into-community-business-park-aka-pop-brixton/

 

[Mr Retro]

I think it's more to do with the fact that she has loads of rich backers, making it far from a DIY start-up that people expected POP would host.

Which is why as I've said the business is being held up as what some people think is wrong with Pop which I think is fair for them to do so.

Is the larger community actually that bothered about what Pop is? It seems to me that there are less than a dozen people on here who care about what it is now as opposed to what it was supposed to be. Is there a larger dislike of Pop than this? I'm not aware of it but might be wrong

 

[Spymaster]

This was already posted but here you are again:

http://www.brixtonbuzz.com/2015/04/...into-community-business-park-aka-pop-brixton/

Cheers, I hadn't seen that, been away for a few weeks.

Despite the obviously biased tone of that piece I guess that's fair enough really. If it was supposed to be one thing but is actually another I can see how that'd get people's backs up.

 

[ViolentPanda]

What do you have to do to qualify for an ViolentPanda approved enterprise?

You appear to be insinuating that I don't "approve" of her enterprise.
On no basis except your own opinions.

I'd give her a go.

I'm sure she'd be glad to hear that.

 

[newbie]

and another is silenced, again permanently. Cheers Rushy, you'll be missed.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Do we know that this is the case and that she's importing the wine direct from the makers? Most small businesses like hers don't. They buy the wine from wholesalers here or in France. A friend of nine had a business selling wine to restaurants. He was one man and a van working off his kitchen table. He never made much money, he just liked wine and tried to make a job out of it. Unfortunately it didn't work out and he's now an English teacher.

If this young woman had all the international connections and backing that have been spoken of on here I doubt she'd be flogging her wares to the public from a container in Brixton.

More likely she's just a Kiwi with a love of wine, trying to make herself a small space in a very competitive business.

...and as usual, you've bulldozed in without doing any background reading.

 

[Spymaster]

...and as usual, you've bulldozed in without doing any background reading.

Well I did ask for the background rather than trawl through 50 pages of a thread but as usual, you've bulldozed in without doing any foreground reading.

 

[BigMoaner]

Quite. The city was built on this kind of thing.

The animosity towards her is because she's selling wine. From Pop. If she was knocking out cider from a khazi round the corner and had friends on U75, she'd be being lauded on these boards and Urbs would be queuing to support her!

You gotta admit, he's gotta point.

I just wouldn't want my area gentrified like that, but have nothing against really all those involved. There nothing sinister in setting up little businesses. I am a bit waery of it seeing myself and others priced out of rapidly gentrified areas. But even I am a hypocrite as I am London property owner. Even worse for people renting etc

 

[newbie]

You gotta admit, he's gotta point.

I just wouldn't want my area gentrified like that, but have nothing against really all those involved. There nothing sinister in setting up little businesses. I am a bit waery of it seeing myself and others priced out of rapidly gentrified areas. But even I am a hypocrite as I am London property owner. Even worse for people renting etc

each wave of gentrification into Brixton results in some of the pools formed by previous waves draining away, traditionally to around where you are

 

[editor]

and another is silenced, again permanently. Cheers Rushy, you'll be missed.

I wasn't aware that he'd been banned - it would have happened automatically applied after he accrued a certain number of warning messages - each one adds up points which last for a certain length of time and if the limit is reached, the ban cuts in.

The ban isn't permanent as it will be lifted once the 'points' run out. It may be that the system is making the default ban too long or needs looking at. Certainly the message shouldn't say permaban because it's not. I'll ask Lazy Llama to take a look to see if we can tweak this.

 

[editor]

Although I don't drink wine, I will admit to having an irrational affection towards NZ wine girl simply because it is a defining part of her life that she wants to be part of our world

I have to say that the world of heavily backed international entrepreneurial wine importers in hipster container parks isn't exactly my world.