cuppa tee
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yeah, it’s all a bit bleak innit....
Pop Brixton (formerly Grow Brixton) Pope's Road development
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yeah, it’s all a bit bleak innit....
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hiraethified
It's been Brixton's biggest (council subsidised) bar for years. It's the same at Lost in Brixton, except they kick kids out as early as 5pm to ensure maximum ££££££ off boozers.
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
Its the post-Brexit culture mate. The idea of a family trip to a licensed venue is so continentale.
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hiraethified
The farce continues
www.brixtonbuzz.com
Loss making Pop Brixton bought up by property investors
For months Brixton Buzz has been wondering who actually owns Pop Brixton, after the previous owners, Intelligere Investments Ltd, cleared off.
www.brixtonbuzz.com
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
The Architects Journal interview you cited - with the illustrious Carl Turner - makes it very clear that Pop Brixton was very much a temporary venture - a stepping stone in his career if you like.The farce continues
Loss making Pop Brixton bought up by property investors
For months Brixton Buzz has been wondering who actually owns Pop Brixton, after the previous owners, Intelligere Investments Ltd, cleared off.
I guess the conspiracy theory on this might be that Pop Brixton had to be meanwhile "enough" to bridge the point in time when people demanded the council preserve and enhance the Rec to the point where everyone is just sick of everything and the developers can move in big-time on everything north of Brixton rail station.
Except we might be spared that if interest rates hold up and the sums no longer work for gentrification.
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hiraethified
And this was it was supposed to be:
Carl Turner is very much the villain in this debacle. And Lambeth, of course.
Speaking exclusively to Brixton Buzz, the EBS said:
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Carl Turner is very much the villain in this debacle. And Lambeth, of course.
Speaking exclusively to Brixton Buzz, the EBS said:
Exclusive: Grow Brixton to Pop Brixton – how a green oasis for the community turned into a 21st Century business park
As Pop Brixton prepares to celebrate its first birthday down at Pope’s Road this weekend, Brixton Buzz thought it would be a good time to ask: whatever happened to Grow:Brixton and the “green oasis…
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Tricky Skills
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"Imagine a green oasis..."
Tron Cruise
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Anyone ever met a nice architect?
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
I've met several - but what is frightening and awe inspiring is the ones on Sky Arts "The Architecture of Museums" etc.
Zaha Hadid was on yesterday. She did the curvy wavy thing at Baku
as well as the Evelyn Grace Academy at Loughborough Parl, Brixton.
She might have been OK. Smoked like a trooper, which was apparently her undoing. The man currebtly in charge at her old firm, Patrick Schumacher looks a right pretentious twat. I'm sure Gramsci posted up some stuff from him on a social housing thread. He doesn't believe in designing social housing apparently. I guess we should all go back to living in a shoe box in the middle of the road! This wiki quote "might" find favour with some on Urban?
"Schumacher's viewpoints are aligned with anarcho-capitalism, in favour of complete decentralisation and radical privatisation of all aspects of architecture, planning and development."
RoyReed
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Yes, Neave Brown and Peter Foggo particularly.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Might be worth understanding that as far as Pop Brixton is concerned (at least as far as I can make out) Carl Turner's business went beyond the "architect" role and effectively became part developer / operator. They took on some form of financial stake in the project.
Although there are quite a few architectural practices that do this (Squire & Partners are another), the vast majority of architects don't (and can't). Mostly, their job is limited to the design. They don't own the site or buildings. They don't decide on the brief (although they might be able to influence it to some degree). They don't get involved in the commercial calculations of whether a certain development will be profitable or not, and they don't have any power to make those kinds of decisions. They don't decide what kind of use is going to go onto a certain site. All of those decisions are made by the site or building's owners and developers (within constraints determined by planning policy). They don't get any share of profits that the development then does or doesn't go on to make. They are paid a fee to do the design work, just like the builder is paid to do the building work.
Many architects, if you ask them, will see part of their role and professional responsibility as doing what they can to moderate the worst commercially-driven desires of developers. But in the end he who pays the piper calls the tune. Of course, if an architect believes that what they are being asked to design is not something they are comfortable with being involved with, they can decline or resign from the job... in which case the developer will simply find someone else.
Although there are quite a few architectural practices that do this (Squire & Partners are another), the vast majority of architects don't (and can't). Mostly, their job is limited to the design. They don't own the site or buildings. They don't decide on the brief (although they might be able to influence it to some degree). They don't get involved in the commercial calculations of whether a certain development will be profitable or not, and they don't have any power to make those kinds of decisions. They don't decide what kind of use is going to go onto a certain site. All of those decisions are made by the site or building's owners and developers (within constraints determined by planning policy). They don't get any share of profits that the development then does or doesn't go on to make. They are paid a fee to do the design work, just like the builder is paid to do the building work.
Many architects, if you ask them, will see part of their role and professional responsibility as doing what they can to moderate the worst commercially-driven desires of developers. But in the end he who pays the piper calls the tune. Of course, if an architect believes that what they are being asked to design is not something they are comfortable with being involved with, they can decline or resign from the job... in which case the developer will simply find someone else.
Gramsci
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I don't think anyone here was having a go at architects in general.
The case in point was Turner and the way EBS said he treated them
No one forced Turner to put a bid in for the old car park site.
Any criticism of Pop meets with attitude that one is being negative in general.
Re reading Brixton Buzz article and what strikes me is the role the Council played. And continued to play.
That Pop is a wonderful project. Forget Grow Brixton.
Let's just move on and stop moaning.
In the end that line works. People get tired of the moaners. So perhaps the Council aren't that stupid.
It would really help if the Council admitted this was a cock up and learnt lessons from it.
They on the quiet might have. International house hasn't been the balls up that ended up as Pop. The Council did that on a different basis. And I don't hear anyone complaining about it.
On architects I would not have campaigned to get Brixton Rec listed if I thought all architects are bad
The case in point was Turner and the way EBS said he treated them
No one forced Turner to put a bid in for the old car park site.
Any criticism of Pop meets with attitude that one is being negative in general.
Re reading Brixton Buzz article and what strikes me is the role the Council played. And continued to play.
That Pop is a wonderful project. Forget Grow Brixton.
Let's just move on and stop moaning.
In the end that line works. People get tired of the moaners. So perhaps the Council aren't that stupid.
It would really help if the Council admitted this was a cock up and learnt lessons from it.
They on the quiet might have. International house hasn't been the balls up that ended up as Pop. The Council did that on a different basis. And I don't hear anyone complaining about it.
On architects I would not have campaigned to get Brixton Rec listed if I thought all architects are bad
Tricky Skills
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Buzzed: Lambeth hands out yet another lease extension for the loss making Pop Brixton as the ‘Business Park for the 21st Century’ starts to wind down
"Lambeth keeps on extending the lease in the hope that Pop Brixton will actually deliver and turn around some profit for the Council"
"Lambeth keeps on extending the lease in the hope that Pop Brixton will actually deliver and turn around some profit for the Council"
Lambeth council have ignored it's working class community for ever. The mono-cultured Brixton it is creating really does reflect on why employees of colour used to call it "The Plantation'. Gentrification is a form of colonisation.
What sticks in my throat is the fact that so many people trying to earn a decent living and keep Brixton going for decades have gone under.
There were tears when First Choice closed a couple of weeks ago. We used to boast over 6 Caribbean bakeries, Greek delis and so much more.These are the people who kept Brixton going for decades in filthy market places - some how we didn't even deserve working clean toilets - or any services.
And all we have now cultural appropriation and a pastiche of what Brixton was.
Clifton Mansions. I rest my case.
What sticks in my throat is the fact that so many people trying to earn a decent living and keep Brixton going for decades have gone under.
There were tears when First Choice closed a couple of weeks ago. We used to boast over 6 Caribbean bakeries, Greek delis and so much more.These are the people who kept Brixton going for decades in filthy market places - some how we didn't even deserve working clean toilets - or any services.
And all we have now cultural appropriation and a pastiche of what Brixton was.
Clifton Mansions. I rest my case.
editor
hiraethified
It's nearly finished
www.brixtonbuzz.com
Loss making Pop Brixton enters administration
After nearly 10 years of never making a profit, Pop Brixton entered into administration earlier this week. Quantuma, a firm specialising in helping companies “overcome operational and financial cha…
www.brixtonbuzz.com
ska invita
back on the other side
I wonder what will happen to Reprezent Radio
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hiraethified
Their crowdfunder did remarkably well earlier this year, raising over £62k
Tricky Skills
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ChrisSouth
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What a shame - some people who worked in that space will lose their jobs.It's nearly finished
Loss making Pop Brixton enters administration
After nearly 10 years of never making a profit, Pop Brixton entered into administration earlier this week. Quantuma, a firm specialising in helping companies “overcome operational and financial cha…
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hiraethified
The loss making disaster was supposed to have closed down years ago, so it's done well to last so long.
freshapple
Active Member
They might do a pre pack administration & buy it back?
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hiraethified
Some people have made a shit load of money out of Pop Brixton but it's certainly not Lambeth (or local residents).
freshapple
Active Member
I’d have thought Lambeth would have made money out of the business rates?
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hiraethified
You know how the set up for Pop Brixton was supposed to work, yes?
They got the land RENT FREE with profits supposedly shared with the council. How much do you think the council got back from Pop Brixton's 8/9 years of rent free existence?
freshapple
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But they would have paid business rates I would have thought? And the micro businesses would also have paid business rates?
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hiraethified
Wait. You're actually arguing that Pop Brixton somehow represents a successful venture for Lambeth?
It's been a catastrophic failure.
freshapple
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So if each unit is this that’s about £7k per unit
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freshapple
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I mean it’s provided jobs for local people & money for council services at the very least.
Aldo less tangible benefits such as PR, publicity I suppose
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hiraethified
They've created an absolute fraction of what a properly run business paying full rent would have contributed to Lambeth. It's been an embarrassing failure.
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