Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Bill

[SpookyFrank]

Evidently it doesn't include delivering the pension that some people signed up to.

Perhaps they've taken to deducting compensation payments for victims of police malfeasance from the police pension fund instead of making taxpayers cover it.

 

[A380]

Evidently it doesn't include delivering the pension that some people signed up to.

Who needs a contract of employment when you have a Covenant?

 

[A380]

Perhaps they've taken to deducting compensation payments for victims of police malfeasance from the police pension fund instead of making taxpayers cover it.

There isn’t a Police pension fund. It’s a giant Ponzi scheme basically.

 

[A380]

So Section 54 of the Bill proposes to introduce a "noise test". A senior office would be empowered to decide if a protest could, erm, checks, be too noisy.

Paging Chief Super Nintendo ‘Ears’ Mc Pindrop...

 

[Pickman's model]

So Section 54 of the Bill proposes to introduce a "noise test". A senior office would be empowered to decide if a protest could, erm, checks, be too noisy.

Watch out for undercover cops selling whistles at future demos

 

[SpookyFrank]

There isn’t a Police pension fund. It’s a giant Ponzi scheme basically.

This intrigues me, is any more detail available?

 

[A380]

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This intrigues me, is any more detail available?

The police pensions scheme 2015 member’s guide

This is a member’s guide for the police pensions scheme 2015.

www.gov.uk

Police pension scheme 1987: members’ guide

This is the latest version of the police pension scheme 1987 members’ guide.

www.gov.uk

But basically existing old bill get 15% of their salary docked which is used to pay the pensions of retired Rozzers (along with a levy on PCCs' budgets).

 

[tim]

What's the betting the leader of the opposition supports all these things?

What's the betting that he'll complain that they don't go far enough.

 

[tim]

Increasing the maximum penalty for criminal damage of a memorial from 3 months to 10 years

Thats one hell of a jump, from 3 months to 1 year mught seem reasonable but a 40-fold increase implies that a raw nerve has been touched somewhere.

A dog-whistle to the hangers and floggers who don't like folk decorating that Churchkill statue in Westminster. It would be a very stupid judge who would impose a sentence of that length.

 

[agricola]

There isn’t a Police pension fund. It’s a giant Ponzi scheme basically.

TBF it isn't a Ponzi scheme either - they've always had to (and understood they would have to) underwrite it.

The post-2007 reforms seem to just want to make it more likely the Government return to the days when many people retired and then died before they got to the point where they'd received more money than they put in - something which increased life expectancy generally (and them recruiting loads of cadets in the 70s and 80s without realising they'd be able to retire at 48 specifically) have made less common than it was.

 

[A380]

TBF it isn't a Ponzi scheme either - they've always had to (and understood they would have to) underwrite it.

The post-2007 reforms seem to just want to make it more likely the Government return to the days when many people retired and then died before they got to the point where they'd received more money than they put in - something which increased life expectancy generally (and them recruiting loads of cadets in the 70s and 80s without realising they'd be able to retire at 48 specifically) have made less common than it was.

I was exaggerating for comic effect... But yes can't have anyone other than MPs get more out of a public sector pension scheme than they put in...

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

A dog-whistle to the hangers and floggers who don't like folk decorating that Churchkill statue in Westminster. It would be a very stupid judge who would impose a sentence of that length.

Very good point, what constitutes a memorial? A bunch of flowers at a crash site? A statue of a dead person, or is there a specific definition?

 

[Pickman's model]

Very good point, what constitutes a memorial? A bunch of flowers at a crash site? A statue of a dead person, or is there a specific definition?

Anything commemorating a tory

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Anything commemorating a tory

Oh yeah, that Thatcher statue's going up soon isn't it? How long 'till this law comes in to effect?

 

[Pickman's model]

Oh yeah, that Thatcher statue's going up soon isn't it? How long 'till this law comes in to effect?

It'll be in force a minute before the thatcher statue comes down

 

[Sasaferrato]

There isn’t a Police pension fund. It’s a giant Ponzi scheme basically.

That describes the State Pension wonderfully well.

Those of you still working, work harder! The State Pension must not be put in jeopardy!

 

[Teaboy]

That describes the State Pension wonderfully well.

Those of you still working, work harder! The State Pension must not be put in jeopardy!

Its OK. It's been a very decent 12 months for the country's pension fund....

 

[Sasaferrato]

Its OK. It's been a very decent 12 months for the country's pension fund....

I actually wrote to the Chancellor, suggesting that those in receipt of State Pension should be able to forgo the 2.5% rise this year. We don't need it, and there many in the same situation. It didn't seem right in view of the fiscal carnage of the last year, that we should benefit where others do not.

Answer there was none. Too difficult to implement perhaps.

 

[PR1Berske]

Wherever you look in the legislation, it works to lower the point at which the police can intervene. The old legislation, for instance, said they could do so to prevent “disorder, damage, disruption or intimidation”. That old formulation remains, but the Home Office has added a new criteria: “impact”.

Look closely at those words. The ones in the old legislation were all negative. But the new one is entirely neutral. Legally, it seems very broad. But if you look closer it is actually quite specific. It aims its sights at the entire purpose of protest.

The point of a demonstration is to be heard, to make an argument, to encourage others – whether they are people passing by, or workers in a company, or MPs in parliament – to hear the protestors’ point of view. In other words, to have an “impact”. This is why we call them ‘demonstrations’. It is a demonstration of a political view, expressed so that it can convince others. That is what makes it a vital part of free speech.

Source: Silencing Black Lives Matter: Priti Patel's anti-protest law - Politics.co.uk

 

[Winot]

Very good point, what constitutes a memorial? A bunch of flowers at a crash site? A statue of a dead person, or is there a specific definition?

Trampling on flowers left at a vigil?

 

[Winot]

Home Office minister making clear that they want to ban protests that they want to ban but that protests that they don’t want to ban can go ahead:

 

[Badgers]

Labour voting against now (Keith uturn)

 

[DotCommunist]

Labour voting against now (Keith uturn)

somehow even scummier, if the met hadn't shit the bed last night labour would have abstained except a few scg who'd oppose.

 

[muscovyduck]

Labour voting against now (Keith uturn)

can't believe this had to be a labour u-turn in the first place it was easy to get used to corbyn while he was leader

 

[Doodler]

Another aspect to the proposals regarding memorials is that in recent years some village and other small war memorials have had their bronze plaques and other bronze fittings stolen. You can guess where the finger of suspicion will point - gravy on top of the red meat.

 

[Humberto]

If this goes through it's another nail in the coffin, they allowed the police and security services to use rape and torture with immunity. Labour abstained. What are they building?

 

[Humberto]

Unanswerable state force?

 

[Poi E]

Unanswerable state force?

The same despotism the British state practised across empire. Nothing new to these bastards.

 

[hitmouse]

So Section 54 of the Bill proposes to introduce a "noise test". A senior office would be empowered to decide if a protest could, erm, checks, be too noisy.

Cancel culture gone mad.

 

[cyril_smear]

• New powers to halt the automatic early release of offenders who pose a danger to the public

Like the IPP sentences then