Police and UKBA to ransack Brixton (Thursday 6th March)

[cybertect]

and zero credit given to the source of the story.

one lot of shoddy journalism at C4 followed by another at the indy

I already asked them about that on Twitter

 

[leanderman]

I remember hearing a report on the radio in the summer about the problems of aggressive behaviour by seagulls on beaches. One of the respondents to the vox-pop was willing to talk about the problems she had faced, but preferred not to give her name. Still perhaps one shouldn't sneer at the risks posed by gangs seagulls seeking revenge

It was a seagull crapping on my head during a particularly moronic vox pop that destroyed my passion for reporting.

 

[Rushy]

being sacked means not being able to pay the rent, put food on the table etc.

the guy made a mistake, got caught out etc. but it shouldn't be a career ending offence for a young inexperienced journalist IMO.

Fair enough. At the same time, I don't think inexperience is an altogether convincing excuse for being intentionally deceptive - it does show a certain lack of integrity, particularly when coupled with his smart arse response after being caught out. He really should not need to have someone explain to him what he did wrong. I guess that if he's any good, he'll get a bollocking and, if he is not all that well thought of by his employers, they will take this opportunity to say bye bye.

Anyway, I bet he's not feeling so terribly clever just now.

I think the Livity individuals (unless they were somehow unaware of eachother's interviews ) should also be given a stern talking to. This has done Livity's credibility no favours whatsoever.

 

[Pickman's model]

being sacked means not being able to pay the rent, put food on the table etc.

the guy made a mistake, got caught out etc. but it shouldn't be a career ending offence for a young inexperienced journalist IMO.

so what's arguably gross misconduct should iyo not receive the usual punishment

 

[free spirit]

so what's arguably gross misconduct should iyo not receive the usual punishment

1 strike and you're out eh. Lovely approach.

 

[Pickman's model]

1 strike and you're out eh. Lovely approach.

how do you know it's his first strike?

 

[free spirit]

how do you know it's his first strike?

I don't, but you apparently want him sacked regardless of whether it's first strike or final straw.

I prefer to give particularly young staff the opportunity to learn from their mistakes, rather than binning them the first time they make a mistake.

 

[classicdish]

how do you know it's his first strike?

"Last year Channel 4 apologised after a report by Mr Jarrett–Bryan about Manchester City striker Mario Balotelli wrongly attributed spoof Twitter quotes to him."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/m...relations-with-brixton-residents-9180132.html

 

[Pickman's model]

I don't, but you apparently want him sacked regardless of whether it's first strike or final straw.

I prefer to give particularly young staff the opportunity to learn from their mistakes, rather than binning them the first time they make a mistake.

yes yes you've said that. but a journalist who fakes a story goes beyond 'a mistake'

 

[urbanspaceman]

Crikey, now the ES has run the story:

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londoners-diary/view-from-brixton-is-er-all-the-same-9181662.html

 

[editor]

Crikey, now the ES has run the story:

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londoners-diary/view-from-brixton-is-er-all-the-same-9181662.html

At least they had the courtesy to give the site a credit (albeit with no link so people can't follow the story back to here).

 

[Winot]

Crikey, now the ES has run the story:

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londoners-diary/view-from-brixton-is-er-all-the-same-9181662.html

"While Livity is a growing business it does not yet employ the entire population of Brixton."

 

[ViolentPanda]

Is the problem shoddy journalism?

Or that the people interviewed didn't say the right things? (I never saw it)

Or both?

Very definitely shoddy journalism. A vox pop is supposed to be a random sampling of locals, not a sampling of your mates who happen to be locals, and are more likely to say what they think you want to hear.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I've never seen much value in vox pops, however egregious an example this one is.

They can be handy for getting a snapshot of a mood, but that's about it.

 

[ViolentPanda]

What I don't really understand is why a journalist would, particularly , put their career at risk by doing something quite so stupid. Surely, he can't have believed that it wouldn't get flagged up.

That's precisely what he will have believed, because even as a relatively rookie reporter, he'll have seen similar "busking" done by older colleagues (usually those who are on a deadline to produce something for the next news broadcast, etc). same thing happens in print journalism, although it's less obvious there, much of the time, and much easier to disguise.

I've always got the impression that Snow and Co. see themselves as news broadcasting's honourable elite rather disdainful of the squalid machinations of the rest of the news media. Will John and Krishnan be happy about having their image so tarnished.

Perhaps, the Independent is still looking for an imaginative young journalist to fill the void left by the sad demise of johan Hari.

Broadcast journalism is as murky as print, with the added quirk of hiring reporters as much on their appearance, as on their journalistic ability.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Maybe this kind of thing is OK with sports and music reporting? Channel 4 News have him as a "sports reporter".

Just seems so naive and amateurish. Why not just go out for a few minutes and talk to some people? What was the benefit in doing what he did?

Usually? Time-saving. Quicker to poll your pals, than question a couple of dozen locals to get maybe half a dozen usable (generally post-edit) replies.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Surprisingly hard.

Most people refuse to go on the record.

Those that do are usually mad.

Or have a bee in their bonnet/an agenda. Surprisingly often about rubbish collection and/or local council corruption.

(I'm not defending this guy, just sharing my experience of doing innumerable vox pops in city centres)

Such fun.

 

[ViolentPanda]

being sacked means not being able to pay the rent, put food on the table etc.

the guy made a mistake, got caught out etc. but it shouldn't be a career ending offence for a young inexperienced journalist IMO.

Agreed.
And if he learns from the experience, all the better.
Given the "brush off" attitude he showed on twitter, though, he may be impervious to absorbing the lesson.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I remember hearing a report on the radio in the summer about the problems of aggressive behaviour by seagulls on beaches. One of the respondents to the vox-pop was willing to talk about the problems she had faced, but preferred not to give her name. Still perhaps one shouldn't sneer at the risks posed by gangs seagulls seeking revenge

Those gulls are utter cunts. You diss a gull, and the next thing you know, all it's mates are pecking lumps out of you, and shitting on your car, the little bastards!

 

[urbanspaceman]

http://www.anorak.co.uk/390243/news...the-same-says-faked-channel-4-news-show.html/

 

[leanderman]

Makes the diary page in today's Standard, with a plug for Brixton Buzz

 

[urbanspaceman]

Makes the diary page in today's Standard, with a plug for Brixton Buzz

and the Guardian:

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/mar/10/channel-4-news-removes-video?CMP=twt_fd

 

[Balbi]

Creeping towards the mainstream like a stealthy xenforo panther

 

[Puddy_Tat]

I am faintly disappointed that nobody has managed to get a story into the mainstream about the crack squirrels being gentrified...

 

[clandestino]

one involved doesn't seem too bothered "lol"





look it's nice outside, nothing to see here!

Looks like Jordan Jarrett-Bryan has deleted his twitter account, unless I'm being a techno dunce again (quite possible....)

The Guardian story's on the front page of the site...

 

[ddraig]

yup looks like it

Profile summary

Internal server error.

https://twitter.com/_JordanJBryan

 

[FridgeMagnet]

It doesn't solve anything, deleting your twitter. Some bugger will have taken screenshots.

 

[ddraig]

one i got yesterday that includes one of the above

 

[tarannau]

That Jordan bloke is an absolute PR liability. What an unapologetic, arrogant tool of the highest order.

 

[clandestino]

It's the lies that tell the truth!