pompeydunc
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This was asked at the last AGM. The Directors were consulted, but chose not to consult members citing other priorities.
Peter Crouch joins the Dulwich Hamlet board
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This was asked at the last AGM. The Directors were consulted, but chose not to consult members citing other priorities.
AveryDave
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It's beyond embarrassing now. The club are getting called out for hypocrisy in the press and on social media, and the continued and entirely wilful silence in response to invited and reasonable questions suggests they know exactly what they're doing but don't want to own up to it.
Which brings into question the integrity of those running the club and whether or not they can be trusted on anything they do choose to speak out on - if they're willing to tolerate such blatant double standards in one matter, what's to say they aren't operating the same way on others?
And the thing is, I'm sure that's not the case - which makes it all the more frustrating that they're letting this one, key issue, colour and potentially damage so much else.
Which brings into question the integrity of those running the club and whether or not they can be trusted on anything they do choose to speak out on - if they're willing to tolerate such blatant double standards in one matter, what's to say they aren't operating the same way on others?
And the thing is, I'm sure that's not the case - which makes it all the more frustrating that they're letting this one, key issue, colour and potentially damage so much else.
Don't Slow Down
Well-Known Member
What will probably happen is the club stay silent, Crouch finishes his nice well paid Discovery programme and then resigns as a Director........
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hiraethified
And who cares about the long term fans who have been prompted to scale back/abandon their support for the club?!
tonysingh
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jimbarkanoodle
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Yeah, I doubt he'll stick around once the filming is done. Are they still doing it?
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Well I wouldn't put money on it
gnar182
i am an okay person
I'm not part of the anti gambling group/brigade but I agree that the clubs avoidance of addressing the issue is odd given their anti gambling stance and Pete's partnership with Paddy Power.
Very suspect how they had to cancel the Q&A with him on discord when all the questions were surrounding that topic. Funny how we were told it would be rearranged but are stil waiting???
YTC
Very suspect how they had to cancel the Q&A with him on discord when all the questions were surrounding that topic. Funny how we were told it would be rearranged but are stil waiting???
YTC
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hiraethified
It's bullshit and no one at the club seems to care and/or know about the long term damage it's creating.
scousedom
Well-Known Member
Party’s over for Paddy Power Pete.
www.theguardian.com
UK to ban gambling ads featuring sports and reality TV stars
Changes designed to protect under-18s and other vulnerable groups come into effect in October
scousedom
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Devil in the detail as always. I assume they will all instruct lawyers and market researchers to prove they don’t have “a significant fanbase of under-18s” which presumably would allow them to carry on.
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hiraethified
Hahaha. Fuck you Crouch.Party’s over for Paddy Power Pete.
UK to ban gambling ads featuring sports and reality TV stars
Changes designed to protect under-18s and other vulnerable groups come into effect in October
Although he'll probably wriggle out of the ban, arguing that he hasn't played for years and has a more adult fanbase. I hope he's screwed though.
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hiraethified
I see he's still doing his bit for gambling and Paddy Power
He told Paddy Power’s From the Horses Mouth podcast : “The dressing room is underneath the stadium and there are tiers upon tiers of fans and you can hear them. I’m sat in the dressing room with a towel over my head, hearing goal after goal after goal going in and I’m thinking: ‘that’s down to me’. That was a low point and a big regret."
www.irishpost.com
Boyle Sport and Paddy Power are amongst the Irish bookmakers which launched OOH campaigns for the much-anticipated Cheltenham festival. Boyle Sports launched a highly visible Digital OOH (DOOH) campaign to woo punters with its ‘money-back’ offers and grow its share of the betting market at one of the busiest times of the year for bookmakers. Paddy Power dominated Dublin airport with an array of ads featuring Colm Meaney, Ruby Walsh and Peter Crouch.
He told Paddy Power’s From the Horses Mouth podcast : “The dressing room is underneath the stadium and there are tiers upon tiers of fans and you can hear them. I’m sat in the dressing room with a towel over my head, hearing goal after goal after goal going in and I’m thinking: ‘that’s down to me’. That was a low point and a big regret."
Crouch "wanted to punch" Real Madrid's Marcelo after early red card celebrations
Tottenham's Champions League dream was left in tatters back in 2011 as Real Madrid beat them 4-0 in the Spanish capital with Peter Crouch's early red card proving crucialwww.mirror.co.uk
Peter Crouch and Matt Champan star in brillant new advert for Paddy Power | The Irish Post
PETER CROUCH is out for revenge in Paddy Power’s latest viral video after the former footballer r...
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AverageJoe
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I'm with you on this, but Cheltenham was two months ago.
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hiraethified
The article is a only a month old and the others are more recent. Every fucking shitty thing he does to promote gambling is a blow to Hamlet's dwindling credibility as a club that stands against the gambling industry.
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hiraethified
Here's an article I wish I didn't have to write:
www.brixtonbuzz.com
Opinion: Dulwich Hamlet, Peter Crouch, gambling and hypocrisy
As long standing Dulwich Hamlet fans, this isn’t an article we wanted to write, but it’s something we can’t keep quiet about any longer. Along with many other fans, what attracted…
www.brixtonbuzz.com
Effra Eyes
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Respect your opinions on this editor, some I agree with, some I don't. But tone of this feels a bit off to me, you've cherry-picked comments from this thread that support your view, fair enough, but this coupled with using 'we' and 'us' makes it look like you are speaking on behalf of the entire fanbase on this, and you aren't.
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hiraethified
I was quite careful to use phrases like "along with many other fans" rather than "this is what all fans think," so I think I've been fair. And the 'us' is meant to be Brixton Buzz (all our articles are written this way).
And if it sounds like I'm angry and frustrated, well that's because I am.
Edit to add: and the article clearly says "opinion." I was careful to highlight that.
Effra Eyes
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Out of interest, did you write a similar piece when the team were running around with estate agents names on their shirts? Or breweries for that matter.
Personally, I want gambling adverts banned, and think it will happen sooner rather than later. But the idea that the club's commercial activities were whiter than white before Crouch turned up is nonsense.
Personally, I want gambling adverts banned, and think it will happen sooner rather than later. But the idea that the club's commercial activities were whiter than white before Crouch turned up is nonsense.
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hiraethified
How do you think this kind of belittling whataboutery is going to help? The team may have been 'running around with estate agents' in the past but they weren't inviting them onto the board and letting them head up TV documentaries about the club while making public statements saying that they actually opposed them.
Can you really not see the difference?
Effra Eyes
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It's not 'belittling whataboutery' - it's asking genuine questions in response to your article. I didn't insult you, just offered a different opinion. As you can't engage in constructive conversation with anyone who doesn't subscribe to your view, there is little point in continuing this.
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hiraethified
I'm sorry if you take it that way, but that article took me a very long time to write, and you responding with, 'ah yes, but then why didn't you write about this or that in the past' is a classic way of trying to undermine the piece.
But can you really, REALLY not see the difference between a regular club sponsor and Crouch's involvement and his pro-gambling employment?
Effra Eyes
Well-Known Member
It's not an attempt to undermine it at all, I literally started my reply with 'I respect your opinions on this', it was my response to it. I don't think it's helpful to continue this on here as nuance gets lost on the internet. But I'm going along tonight and am happy to discuss in the flesh.
tonysingh
Random Clever and Witty Strapline
I am completely and utterly opposed to Crouchs involvement with the club at any level because of his ties to gambling. The fact he played a few games for us is irrelevant. The whole affair reeks of misjudgement and has driven a wedge between some fans, the exchange above is a good example of this.
It does also tie into a wider malaise at the club that has driven away a few fans, myself included. I fully recognise that we don't matter though given we're replaced by newer fans. That's fine, that's progress and if the newer lot guarantee the future of the club through their attendance then great.
But it feels like we've sold our soul for progress on and off the pitch. This cult of celebrity pish that surrounded Crouch our Saviour, home games being unpleasant, arguments and offline, fans jockeying for status....its not just one thing at the moment is it? We can't point at this Crouch farrago and pretend all else is golden.
As @Effra_eyes states, we've accepted money from estate agents and alcohol brewers. Gambling is a pernicious evil indeed but equally so is alcohol. Yet a huge part of the club culture revolves around beer. We can't say we're only principled on one thing imho. We have to be against all things that cause (chiefly working class) people harm or we accept that we're going to have to hold our noses in regard commercial stuff though perhaps a smidge of consultation from the club might be a good way to bridge the gap.
It does also tie into a wider malaise at the club that has driven away a few fans, myself included. I fully recognise that we don't matter though given we're replaced by newer fans. That's fine, that's progress and if the newer lot guarantee the future of the club through their attendance then great.
But it feels like we've sold our soul for progress on and off the pitch. This cult of celebrity pish that surrounded Crouch our Saviour, home games being unpleasant, arguments and offline, fans jockeying for status....its not just one thing at the moment is it? We can't point at this Crouch farrago and pretend all else is golden.
As @Effra_eyes states, we've accepted money from estate agents and alcohol brewers. Gambling is a pernicious evil indeed but equally so is alcohol. Yet a huge part of the club culture revolves around beer. We can't say we're only principled on one thing imho. We have to be against all things that cause (chiefly working class) people harm or we accept that we're going to have to hold our noses in regard commercial stuff though perhaps a smidge of consultation from the club might be a good way to bridge the gap.
AveryDave
Well-Known Member
I think that's a very even handed piece in the circumstances - and I'd hazard a guess that it took a great deal of drafting and restraint to maintain that tone in the face of the frustrating silence offered by the club to six months of valid questions.
And rather than question why similar pieces on other matters haven't been written in the past, perhaps it would be better to consider that if the club had been willing to address the issue then maybe the piece wouldn't be needed at all?
I'm gutted that I can't get to the Fan Forum tonight, but really hope this is addressed appropriately (I've sent in questions about it), and that this can be the start of the club communicating with the supporters again.
And rather than question why similar pieces on other matters haven't been written in the past, perhaps it would be better to consider that if the club had been willing to address the issue then maybe the piece wouldn't be needed at all?
I'm gutted that I can't get to the Fan Forum tonight, but really hope this is addressed appropriately (I've sent in questions about it), and that this can be the start of the club communicating with the supporters again.
Taper
Mark McGann
I'm not really sure what the involvement of Peter Crouch in the club has achieved. Perhaps it will become clearer. He might come into his own if we need to recruit a new manager in the summer. I quite like him. Seems to be a decent man. But the gambling association does no one any credit..
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