I must have imagined all of Ed's posts then....
People who shoot photos with their lens hood on backwards
- Thread starter Bungle73
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Is there any argument worth having where the instigator of the argument insists that they're right and aren't prepared to accept any of the views of other people? Apologies if I have misunderstood this thread, Bungle, but I think this thread would be more appropriately titled "Here ye should come if ye wish to hear that your photography related opinions are incorrect".
fractionMan
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that's what I thought.
People have argued that you can take good shots with phones. People have pointed out that some pro shots are made with phones. Nobody has argued that phones are technically better at taking photos than cameras.
You will not find a single person on this thread who has said that. Not one.
What you will find is people saying it's perfectly possible to be a terrible photographer with an expensive camera or a great photographer with a phone camera.
editor
hiraethified
Can you produce a quote from me that backs up your claims or not, then?
I'm not interested in your highly confused 'interpretations' of what you think I may have said, just the facts. Ta.
fractionMan
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Bollocks they haven't it's exactly what Ed's been arguing. I really do not have the time or inclination to argue with a bunch of people who argue one point of view, then deny that's what they said at all while still arguing the same thing. I can't go back and quite because I'm on my phone, but it's plain for all to see what Ed has been posting.
fractionMan
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You obviously think he has, but he really hasn't.
He says so multiple times just above these posts. He's not arguing that at all.
I'm not sure why, when he says "I'm not arguing that at all" you refuse to believe him.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
No he's not, and neither is anyone else.
He's saying that superb photos can be taken on modern cameraphones and has provided photographic evidence of that.
They may not match up to DSLRs for flexibility after certain levels are surpassed, but millions of users (including some professionals occasionally) are more than happy to produce great pictures at or below those levels and benefit from the hugely increased convenience.
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Where are these "professional photographers"? I haven't seen any here. Only one person who claims to have done "pro" work, yet think a phone can match a DSLR.
fractionMan
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Define professional. Someone who takes photos for money? Someone who sells photos to newspapers?
editor
hiraethified
No, of course not, but they can be just as good as a dSLR for some uses in some conditions and come with the added bonus of being far more likely to be carried with you at all times.
Decent phone cameras can take photos that are easily good enough for most professional publishing uses and that's why so many news outlets and magazines are only to happy to use them. I've sold a photo off my S4 and without zooming right in to pixel level it looked every bit as good as something taken on a 'proper' camera.
editor
hiraethified
It might be worth you asking yourself why you're the only person on this thread that seems to think I made such a claim.
That DSLRs are superior to phones is not an "opinion", it's a fact. A fact known by anyone who knows more than a little about photography.
neonwilderness
What would Badgers do?
It's also fact that no one here is disputing
Of course they haven't. I must have been arguing with myself all this time,....,It's also fact that no one here is disputing
editor
hiraethified
Finally, you're making some sense.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Now you're getting there!
Gromit
International Man of Misery
Camera phones are superior to DSLRs
How wrong can you get. I just disputed it.
I'm knowingly wrong but I disputed so you are wrong too now.
It's also fact that no one here is disputing
How wrong can you get. I just disputed it.
I'm knowingly wrong but I disputed so you are wrong too now.
neonwilderness
What would Badgers do?
I am disputing your dispute, so in fact I am correct
fractionMan
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Posted from my Pentax K-x
oh wait.
oh wait.
Now that Bungle has gone, lets talk about that Nokia Lumia 1020. I followed editor's link to the site showing the photo series taken in Iceland with that phone. Those images were outstanding for a phone camera. Then I checked out details of the camera. It apparently has a rather larger sensor (although no measurements were given) than one of the Ixus models of compact camera. It seems to have some superior control system for exposure and a button that helps you to hold the camera with one hand while taking pictures. Also there is a special plastic holder that can be added to make the phone feel more like a camera with a grip. Nokia have probably succeeded in making the Lumia 1020 the best phone camera of all.
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existentialist
Tired and unemotional
No, that's just the straw man that got set up by Bungle in what is starting to look like an increasingly desperate attempt to Be Right At Any Cost.
Including, it would seem, to any credibility he might still have around these parts.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Just EVERYBODY ELSE?
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Nooooo! Don't go now, just when you're on the verge of winning!
Fucking hell
editor
hiraethified
I had it on trial for a few days and was impressed with the quality. It even has a usable zoom. It's still nowhere as convenient to use as a dedicated camera, but the bolt-on handgrip makes a huge difference.
It took incredible daylight photos, but the low light ones really impressed me:
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
Thanks for that
It was an example of a situation where large numbers of people doing are doing something that isn't necessarily the best.
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