I must have imagined all of Ed's posts then....no. That's the debate bungle has been having with nobody else.
I must have imagined all of Ed's posts then....no. That's the debate bungle has been having with nobody else.
....This isn't even an argument worth having...
I must have imagined all of Ed's posts then....
Can you produce a quote from me that backs up your claims or not, then?You're unbelievable. It's what you've been arguing throughout this entire thread. And what you are still arguing with your pointless pictures.
I gave you a long list of how DSLRs have the advantage, but apparently that was "moving the goalposts", as if that statement made any sense what so ever.
Bollocks they haven't it's exactly what Ed's been arguing. I really do not have the time or inclination to argue with a bunch of people who argue one point of view, then deny that's what they said at all while still arguing the same thing. I can't go back and quite because I'm on my phone, but it's plain for all to see what Ed has been posting.that's what I thought.
People have argued that you can take good shots with phones. People have pointed out that some pro shots are made with phones. Nobody has argued that phones are technically better at taking photos than cameras.
You will not find a single person on this thread who has said that. Not one.
What you will find is people saying it's perfectly possible to be a terrible photographer with an expensive camera or a great photographer with a phone camera.
Bollocks they haven't it's exactly what Ed's been arguing. I really do not have the time or inclination to argue with a bunch of people who argue one point of view, then deny that's what they said at all while still arguing the same thing. I can't go back and quite because I'm on my phone, but it's plain for all to see what Ed has been posting.
It's exactly what Ed is arguing.
Where are these "professional photographers"? I haven't seen any here. Only one person who claims to have done "pro" work, yet think a phone can match a DSLR.The reason people are laughing at you Bungle73 is because you're attempting to tell professional photographers they're doing it wrong and you're doing it from an amateur standpoint.
You're like someone shouting really loud advice at a football match.
Where are these "professional photographers"? I haven't seen any here. Only one person who claims to have done "pro" work, yet think a phone can match a DSLR.
No, of course not, but they can be just as good as a dSLR for some uses in some conditions and come with the added bonus of being far more likely to be carried with you at all times.Just to throw my tuppence in, someone whos good with a camera will get a good photo regardless of what they're taking a photo with. Some of the best photos Ive taken have been with an empty beer can with a hole in it.
But phone cameras will never be a replacement for a good quality camera, they just dont have the ability to reproduce the quality, and will never have the physical shape or size to give you any real control over shutter speed or apertures, as real control over them needs them in their physciality, and by the nature of a camera phone, being predominantly a phone before a camera, means that being pocket sized will always be important.
It might be worth you asking yourself why you're the only person on this thread that seems to think I made such a claim.Ok I'm done with this thread for now. I will come back when I can get on my PC and quote the posts Ed is too stupid to remember posting.
That DSLRs are superior to phones is not an "opinion", it's a fact. A fact known by anyone who knows more than a little about photography.Is there any argument worth having where the instigator of the argument insists that they're right and aren't prepared to accept any of the views of other people? Apologies if I have misunderstood this thread, Bungle, but I think this thread would be more appropriately titled "Here ye should come if ye wish to hear that your photography related opinions are incorrect".
It's also fact that no one here is disputingThat DSLRs are superior to phones is not an "opinion", it's a fact. A fact known by anyone who knows more than a little about photography.
Of course they haven't. I must have been arguing with myself all this time,....,It's also fact that no one here is disputing
Finally, you're making some sense.Of course they haven't. I must have been arguing with myself all this time,....,
I must have been arguing with myself all this time,....,
It's also fact that no one here is disputing
I am disputing your dispute, so in fact I am correctCamera phones are superior to DSLRs
How wrong can you get. I just disputed it.
I'm knowingly wrong but I disputed so you are wrong too now.
No, that's just the straw man that got set up by Bungle in what is starting to look like an increasingly desperate attempt to Be Right At Any Cost.Hang on is this seriously the debate thats going on, that phone cameras are a match for DSLR's in the modern day and age?
Jeez.
Just EVERYBODY ELSE?It's not me that's confused.
Nooooo! Don't go now, just when you're on the verge of winning!Ok I'm done with this thread for now. I will come back when I can get on my PC and quote the posts Ed is too stupid to remember posting.
I had it on trial for a few days and was impressed with the quality. It even has a usable zoom. It's still nowhere as convenient to use as a dedicated camera, but the bolt-on handgrip makes a huge difference.Now that Bungle has gone, lets talk about that Nokia Lumia 1020. I followed editor's link to the site showing the photo series taken in Norway with that phone. Those images were outstanding for a phone camera. Then I checked out details of the camera. It apparently has a rather large sensor (although no measurements were given) than one of the Ixus models of compact camera. It seems to have some superior control system for exposure and a button that helps you to hold the camera with one hand while taking pictures. Also there is a special plastic holder that can be added to maker the phone feel more like a camera with a grip. Nokia have probably succeeded in making the Lumia 1020 the best phone camera of all.
Thanks for that