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I think a takeover will be most likely but I'm not sure anyone in the market has the financial balls to do it. All the big players are corporations that would just assimilate Palm and innovation that brought out WebOS would get diluted and in the end vanish.

Apple is one rare corporation and that is because Steve Jobs is a techy head honcho. Its a rare thing that someone that understands and enjoys technology and how its developed, gets to run the company.
 
Should have said Europe not UK, just don't see Palm surviving, they don't seem to have the hunger or the resources to make a real go of selling this product.
 
Kid_Eternity said:
Should have said Europe not UK, just don't see Palm surviving, they don't seem to have the hunger or the resources to make a real go of selling this product.
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That comment really makes no sense at all. The Pre is already hitting well above its weight in terms of attracting column inches, and their developer program seems to be doing a great job.
 
Kid_Eternity said:
Yep, and that's it, I have very little faith in the Pre doing well in Europe and Palm surviving....
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So you keep saying but you seem to be basing that opinion on, well, nothing at all as far as I can see: US sales figures are yet to be released, and there's been no announcement of a European release, or any details about their marketing strategy or pricing.

FYI, the Pre broke its carriers sales record when it launched in the US.

Sprint breaks its sales record with Palm Pre

Sprint Nextel executives said Monday that the launch of the much anticipated Palm Pre on Saturday hit a new sales record for the company.

Neither Sprint nor Palm is discussing specific sales figures, but Tim Donahue, vice president of business marketing for Sprint, said that the launch exceeded the company's expectations.

"We experienced our best one day of sales and single weekend sales for any phone we've launched in our history," he said. "We sold out of the device over the weekend in most of our store locations. And it happened at a much faster rate than we had planned on. "

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-10260208-94.html
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editor said:
So you keep saying but you seem to be basing that opinion on, well, nothing at all as far as I can see: US sales figures are yet to be released, and there's been no announcement of a European release, or any details about their marketing strategy or pricing.

FYI, the Pre broke its carriers sales record when it launched in the US.
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Neither Sprint nor Palm is discussing specific sales figures, but Tim Donahue, vice president of business marketing for Sprint, said that the launch exceeded the company's expectations.
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Without specific sales figures, that's pretty much meaningless PR speak.
 
jæd said:
Without specific sales figures, that's pretty much meaningless PR speak.
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The figures would certainly help, but unless Sprint are lying through their teeth about the success of the launch, then they're a long way from the gloomy failure that KE keeps banging on about.

I've no idea what he's basing this mysterious "gut feeling" on either.
 
Pam have announced the acceptance criteria for their app store. Happy to note there seems to be no "duplicate functionality" restrictions which means Pam users will be able to enjoy rival browsers, email clients etc.

Acceptance Criteria

Palm will accept apps into the beta test program based on the following criteria:

* Apps should be useful and engaging to users.
* They need to have an appealing design and user interface aligned with Palm UI guidelines.
* They are written specifically for webOS and not delivered through the browser.
* They leverage webOS platform and device capabilities, for example, notifications, multitasking/background processing, location services, accelerometer.
* They have acceptable performance and response time on the device; apps with slow UI response or sluggish performance will be rejected. Applications that consume excessive power on the device will also be rejected.
http://pdnblog.palm.com/
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editor said:
I've no idea what he's basing this mysterious "gut feeling" on either.
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I'd imagine its the same thing as a few posters here along with the general industry analysts.

They are coming in late into a market that has very high barriers to entry for them.

They dont have the cash lying around to give the massive marketing push that they need to even get their brand awareness in the same ballpark as their competitors.

They paired up with an operator that quite possibly can be considered one of the worst networks in the US.
 
grit said:
I'd imagine its the same thing as a few posters here along with the general industry analysts.

They are coming in late into a market that has very high barriers to entry for them.

They dont have the cash lying around to give the massive marketing push that they need to even get their brand awareness in the same ballpark as their competitors.

They paired up with an operator that quite possibly can be considered one of the worst networks in the US.
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Indeed.
 
grit said:
I'd imagine its the same thing as a few posters here along with the general industry analysts.
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Could you point me in the direction of a single analyst who has predicted the Pre "flopping" in Europe, or that Palm don't have the "hunger" to adequately promote the product, please? Thanks.
 
editor said:
Could you point me in the direction of a single analyst who has predicted the Pre "flopping" in Europe, or that Palm don't have the "hunger" to adequately promote the product, please? Thanks.
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My post was regarding the issues they face in both markets. the market has revised their expectations downwards. they can be as hungry as they want doesn't mean they will get the sales they need. with the negative estimations we are seeing it's logical that they transfer to their possible performance in their least strong market

on a side note can't wait to see how this thread blows up once the offical figures are released
 
grit said:
My post was regarding the issues they face in both markets.
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Oh, OK. It rather looked like you'd piped up to support KE's "hunch" that Palm was going to "flop" in Europe (before they'd even announced a release date or pricing) and that there was no hope for the company.
grit said:
on a side note can't wait to see how this thread blows up once the offical figures are released
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I'm not sure what you mean. Why should it "blow up"? I expect the sales to be reasonable and probably in the middle ground of the various analyst estimations, but nowhere near that of the iPhones.

Mind you, I can't say I've ever had a technology buying decision made by the popularity of a device*, so even if the sales figures prove disappointing for Palm, I'll still judge the handset on its merits alone and buy accordingly.

(*unless there was a real chance that it was going to be made obsolete in the near future, of course)
 
wouldn't use the term flop but I think the face bigger challenges in Europe than the us, so if the us goes badly or not as well as they hope it seems reasonable that they will do worse in Europe

the blow up comment was an observation about the fact there is a healthy (and fun!) debate going on when we can only speculate I imagine it to go up a gear once we have real numbers to throw at each other :)
 
A wee snippet of news.
First, in the dearth of Pre sales numbers, a disproportionate amount of our posts have been based on analyst conjecture -- which had led to plenty of consternation. Recently, though, Palm let us know that there's an analyst report based on fact and testing that's worth pointing out. Ken Dulaney of Gartner Research recently upgraded the company's enterprise category for the Pre from "Concierge" to "Appliance" thanks to Palm's addition of Remote Wipe and Password complexity requirements:
We have tested these policies on the device, and they have passed our tests. We will now categorize the Palm Pre, along with Research In Motion's BlackBerry, Windows Mobile devices, Nokia E-Series phones and Apple iPhones in the appliance category.
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Gartner uses three levels to categorize smartphones: "Concierge" for basic business requirements, "Appliance" for heavy-duty business use (Blackberry wins out here), and "Platform" for the really hardcore stuff (Windows Mobile is the leader here). The Appliance level is the main level, so it's great to see the Pre graduate to it.

http://www.precentral.net/palm-pre-and-business-upgraded-more-upgrades-come
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Oh, and the Palm 'Eos' phone that was supposedly delayed is now being touted as being on schedule for an autumn release.
http://www.brighthand.com/default.asp?newsID=15537&news=Palm+Eos+Pre+webOS+ATT+Pixie+Compal
 
That just make me hate Gartner and their terms even more..."concierage" doesn't even relate to the other two category names!
 
Bish bosh! Palm are having a go at Apple again!
Former Palm Inc. Chief Executive Officer Ed Colligan rejected a proposal from Apple Inc.’s Steve Jobs to refrain from hiring each other’s employees two years ago, calling it wrong and “likely illegal,” according to their communications. Colligan, who stepped down as CEO in June, discussed the matter with Jobs in August 2007, as the mobile-phone war heated up, according to the communications. Apple had introduced the iPhone two months earlier, just as Palm hired a former Apple executive, Jon Rubinstein, to develop new smart phones. Jobs, Apple’s CEO, told Colligan he was concerned that Rubinstein was recruiting Apple employees. “We must do whatever we can to stop this,” Jobs said in the communications.

The U.S. Justice Department is investigating possible collusion in hiring among technology companies, a person familiar with the probe said in June. Derick Mains, a spokesman for Palm, said the company hasn’t been contacted by the Justice Department. Bloomberg News reviewed the communications between Jobs and Colligan.

The exact details of what Jobs proposed to Colligan aren’t known; Jobs didn’t mention a proposal in the communications reviewed by Bloomberg. Jobs said Apple had patents and more money than Palm if the companies ended up in a legal fight, according to the communications. Apple, maker of the Macintosh personal computer, declined to comment, said Katie Cotton, a spokeswoman for the Cupertino, California-based company. Jobs didn’t respond to an e-mail seeking comment.

Escalating Tension

The discussion highlights the tension between the companies as Rubinstein took over product development to help lead a turnaround at Palm, a pioneer in handheld computing. Rubinstein was head of Apple’s iPod unit before he left the company in 2006 and had worked with Jobs for more than 15 years. Palm hired him as executive chairman in 2007 and he succeeded Colligan, 48, as CEO this year.
“Your proposal that we agree that neither company will hire the other’s employees, regardless of the individual’s desires, is not only wrong, it is likely illegal,” Colligan said to Jobs, 54, according to the communications. Colligan said he thought about Jobs’s proposal and considered offering hiring concessions, before deciding against it, according to the exchanges...

Public Rivalry

In his August 2007 communications with Jobs, Colligan said Apple had hired at least 2 percent of Palm’s workforce as the company developed the iPhone. Apple released the iPhone in June 2007.....


More: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=ahgf6sIeFZ4c
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Usual bunfight: http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/20/palms-colligan-rebuffs-steve-jobs-likely-illegal-plea-to-sto/
 
The homebrew apps are slowly growing in number and Palm have been taking a positive interest:
...we hear that many of the developers who have apps in our Gallery have been contacted by Palm and will be getting their apps into the official App Catalog! When that happens, some apps will continue in Homebrew as Beta versions so you can test their future updates, some will be 'Graduates' where you can see them in the Gallery but download them from the official App Catalog. Congrats developers!

http://www.precentral.net/webos-qui...ngs-new-featuresand-end-rooting-required-apps
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well I am now back in the running to be a Pre owner (managed to get an old centro working - sort of) ... it is good to hear that the Apps are expanding, would like moar! For instance just this morning I was reading about a basic and cheap teleprompter app for iphone which I'd like

and I'm still in need of a LifeBalance synch for the pre

so I guess I am hoping for an exponential leap in Pre apps..or at least a real belief that this is on its way

my next phone will either be Pre or iPhone..interestingly I'm wondering whether the apple tablet rumours would mean I could get all the iphone apps I crave on a tablet..and have a pre as my phone..we'll see
 
Piers Gibbon said:
well I am now back in the running to be a Pre owner (managed to get an old centro working - sort of) ... it is good to hear that the Apps are expanding, would like moar! For instance just this morning I was reading about a basic and cheap teleprompter app for iphone which I'd like
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I'm still holding on for the Pre. I'm enjoying my Android phone but there's a lot I miss about the Palm and even the latest HTC Magic phone has failed to topple the Pre in a recent 'face off':

http://reviews.cnet.com/4370-6454_7-877-101.html

There's certainly some apps coming through, but there's always going to be something of an 'early adopter' battle when you move to a new OS.

The fact that I'll be able to sync with Agendus makes me v. happy indeed though!
 
cykey people wrote back to say they thought it was not possible as they imagined that the Pre will only take one press at a time..whereas the cykey system is all about chords/lots of presses at a time...I wonder if there is really any reason the Pre could not do that?

he also said he was waiting for the apple tablet with baited breath as he felt sure that would be able to do it...hmmm
 
The Pre's camera gets a very positive review in this camera phone face off. The most important thing to me is the speed - and the reviewer says that it's the fastest she's ever used.
Palm Pre: The Pre ($200 with a two-year Sprint Nextel contract and mail-in rebate) is a strong smart phone, and on closer inspection I learned it also has a great, simple camera.

The Pre's 3-megapixel camera is frill-free: Its only real feature is the ability to turn its flash on or off or put it on auto.

But what the Pre shoots, it shoots well. The handset had the least amount of shutter lag of any camera phone I tried, and did a good job of adjusting the brightness of shots in different lighting situations. It generally produced sharp, color-rich photos.

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http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gcN08DgUiGvZroe_WztQVNfm1CMwD9AAQ9LO3
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The other good news is that Google look set to release a native Google Voice app for the Pre.
http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9882/native-google-voice-app-in-the-works/

It's just launched in Canada and there's a rather good couple of videos showing it off:
http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9882/native-google-voice-app-in-the-works/
 
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