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Palm: Pre, webOS & app discussion

If Orange or Vodafone had won the contract, consumers could have benefited from a pricing war, but O2 now have zero incentive to price the Pre competitively. :(
 
The argument put forward by the operators is that there are similar models available on other networks.

If you compare features then there are, saying that the Apple or Palm UI is superior or that MOSX or WebOS makes them entirely unique devices is clearly a subjective argument.
 
In this comprehensive 'deathmatch' against the iPhone, Computerworld makes it a very close call.
The overall winner is ...

The Pre is a surprisingly strong competitor to the groundbreaking iPhone. RIM’s efforts to compete with the iPhone have been uninspiring; the Google Android platform turned out to be a weak competitor, too wrapped up in Google’s offerings to the exclusion of the business world; and Microsoft has been AWOL.

For business users, the iPhone wins InfoWorld’s mobile deathmatch, but it was no knockout fight. Individual users will have a tougher decision to make and likely end up choosing based on device and UI aesthetics (Galen prefers the iPhone still, but Brandon is quite happy that he chose the Pre) and the appeal (or not) of the communication collaboration the Pre enables but the iPhone does not.

A year ago, the Pre could have derailed the iPhone. Today, the iPhone has moved enough ahead to stay in front. But the Pre is close on its heels, and its multitasking strength is what could ultimately let it blow past the iPhone in a next iteration.

http://www.computerworld.com/action...t&articleId=9135184&taxonomyId=0&pageNumber=1
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Let's see who can guess the pricing, bragging smug smartarse rights to the closest one. I'm going for:

Handset - £235
Contract - £35 per month for 18 months
Deal - 600 minutes, 500 texts, unlimited fair usage data
 
sumimasen said:
Let's see who can guess the pricing, bragging smug smartarse rights to the closest one. I'm going for:

Handset - £235
Contract - £35 per month for 18 months
Deal - 600 minutes, 500 texts, unlimited fair usage data
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I can see most of that but the unit costing £199...
 
No pricing today, just confirmation of the O2 deal. What 'holidays'? Summer? Christmas? (I think we're looking at the start of Q4).

Availability and Pricing

Palm Pre is scheduled to be available initially in the UK, Ireland and Germany exclusively on the O2 network, and in Spain exclusively on the Movistar network, in time for the holidays. Pricing for the phone has not yet been determined.

Customers who would like to register to receive additional information about Palm Pre and be notified when it's available can register at:

* UK and Ireland: http://www.palm.com/uk-pre-notify
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Sigh.

No pricing yet, but sign up to register your interest. The more people that sign up, the more we can factor just how high we can charge you.
 
KE I originally thought £199 would be a reasonable price but when you factor in the ludicrous prices of the two 3GS models, I suspect o2 will price the Pre between these iPhones.
 
sumimasen said:
KE I originally thought £199 would be a reasonable price but when you factor in the ludicrous prices of the two 3GS models, I suspect o2 will price the Pre between these iPhones.
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???

What are you talking about. If they stick it at 199 on contract its more expensive than the 16Gb3GS which is only 184 quid.

I am very curious to see how they position the contract and price. If its cheaper in any way I for one am bleating like wounded lamb.

Own goal for Palm IMO. Should have at least sold it to a competitor to O2, all are desperate to have some competition to the iPhone. They would have marketed it much harder than O2 need to do? I mean of late you'd be forgive for thinking that O2 shops just sell iPhones the way their window displays have been for the last 2 years.
 
Kid_Eternity said:
Yep I agree not a great move by Palm at all...
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Without knowing the proposed pricing, the deal that Palm negotiated, or the advertising budget and marketing push that O2 have pledged to commit, I'm not entirely sure how you can reach that conclusion.
 
Nissing Sync is now out for Pre/Mac users.
Mark/Space, creator of award-winning desktop and handheld synchronization software, announced immediate availability of Release 1.0 of The Missing Sync for Palm Pre, for Mac. Synchronize contacts, calendars, music, ringtones, photos and more between a Mac and the new Palm Pre phone. And, a Windows Vista and Windows XP version is in development.

The Missing Sync for Palm Pre makes your Pre and Mac close companions.

Use The Missing Sync to keep contacts and calendars in sync between a Pre and a Mac. Easily transfer music, ringtones, videos and photos. Copy files and documents to a Pre to store and view. The Missing Sync for Palm Pre works with the applications Mac owners already know and use: Address Book, Entourage, iCal, iTunes, iPhoto and others.

Mark/Space Proximity Sync(TM) technology can sync a Mac with a Pre via Wi-Fi - sync happens automatically and wirelessly whenever the Pre is near the Mac.(1) It works even when Pre is in a backpack or pants pocket. Address Book, Entourage and iCal stay in sync with Pre without you having to think about it. Its syncing without thinking - convenient and hassle-free.

Sync only what you want to sync. Choose the groups of contacts and calendars you want on your Pre. The Missing Sync for Palm Pre works with Palm Synergy(TM) so that contacts from Address Book on your Mac can be viewed together on your Pre in a single list that links them with contacts from Google and Facebook accounts. Calendars from iCal can be viewed or layered together in a single view with other calendars or individually.

The Missing Sync helps Pre owners get the most from the media features of their phone. Take favorite music and photos with you.(2) Bring PDFs and Microsoft Office documents with you to view on your Pre. Customize your phone with ringtones created from your favorite songs using the built-in ringtone editor.(2)

The Missing Sync works with iTunes and iPhoto making it easy to transfer and sync favorite photo albums and playlists of music and podcasts - both audio and video.(2) Plus, The Missing Sync converts and transfers digital video and home movies optimized for the best viewing experience on Pre.

Learn more about The Missing Sync for Palm Pre at www.markspace.com/PalmPre
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editor said:
Without knowing the proposed pricing, the deal that Palm negotiated, or the advertising budget and marketing push that O2 have pledged to commit, I'm not entirely sure how you can reach that conclusion.
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Because it only has 8 Gb and in December "the holidays", five and a half months away, thats going to start looking small... Please, Palm either introduce a 16 Gb model or get a memory card holder...!
 
oh I wish they would just get on with it
my centro died last night and I have now gone back to the treo 650
how long am I going to have to wait??

I hate feeling forced to the front of the queue to beg for whatever crappy uncompetitive deal o2 deign to offer..gah

(the centro is doing this mad thing of dying whenever it goes to sleep..it did it a few months ago and then fixed itself mysteriously..and now it keeps randomly trying to synch when not asked..and then dying)
 
Sunray said:
???

What are you talking about. If they stick it at 199 on contract its more expensive than the 16Gb3GS which is only 184 quid.

I am very curious to see how they position the contract and price. If its cheaper in any way I for one am bleating like wounded lamb.

Own goal for Palm IMO. Should have at least sold it to a competitor to O2, all are desperate to have some competition to the iPhone. They would have marketed it much harder than O2 need to do? I mean of late you'd be forgive for thinking that O2 shops just sell iPhones the way their window displays have been for the last 2 years.
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3G 8GB - £96.89
3GS 16GB - £184.98
3GS 32 GB - £274.23

You think the Pre will be positioned closer to iPhone's second best model rather than their top model? Wishful thinking. o2 aren't that generous.
 
If they have any sense and want it to sell, it will be 99 quid on a 35pcm, 18 month contract.

The editor and who ever can bang on about how fantastic it all is but this quote is bang on

For one thing, the two devices will be competing for the same customers. For another, the Iphone is more than a mere poster child for applications on phones and handset integration with the web: it's the benchmark,
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Sunray said:
If they have any sense and want it to sell, it will be 99 quid on a 35pcm, 18 month contract.

The editor and who ever can bang on about how fantastic it all is but this quote is bang on
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Err... and where does this quote come from? Does the author already know the UK pricing? If there's a big price differential, then they clearly won't be competing for the same customers in all areas.

He's right about the Apple's benchmark qualities, but when it comes to multi tasking and contact management, Palm is currently miles ahead of Apple, and for some people (read: me) that's more important than 50,000 apps, many of which are utterly flippant and heavily duplicated (and distributed through a moralistic, monopolistic outlet).
 
Sunray said:
If they have any sense and want it to sell, it will be 99 quid on a 35pcm, 18 month contract.

The editor and who ever can bang on about how fantastic it all is but this quote is bang on
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That quote is spot on, and also the comment earlier about O2 shops basically looking like iPhone stores...like I said Palm didn't really do a good job letting this go to O2, it can't compete with the iPhone on that network...
 
Kid_Eternity said:
That quote is spot on, and also the comment earlier about O2 shops basically looking like iPhone stores...
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Err, the O2 stores sell shedloads of other phones, you know, and not every punter shares your enthusiasm for the iPhone either.

Regardless of what posters are in store windows, they reality is that most of their business comes from selling other makes of phone.
 
Sunray said:
If they have any sense and want it to sell, it will be 99 quid on a 35pcm, 18 month contract.

The editor and who ever can bang on about how fantastic it all is but this quote is bang on
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Quote is from http://www.telecomasia.net/article.php?id_article=14111

I'd disagree slightly. The Pre is for people who want a cheap smart-phone. The iPhone is for people with more $$$$ who want an all-singing and dancing gizmo which does stuff well. O2 has done well to bag both ends of the market. (And Nokia is for people who want feature-phones)
 
Kid_Eternity said:
That quote is spot on, and also the comment earlier about O2 shops basically looking like iPhone stores...like I said Palm didn't really do a good job letting this go to O2, it can't compete with the iPhone on that network...
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Perhaps O2 will get giant models of the Pre to put in their windows...? :D
 
jæd said:
Quote is from http://www.telecomasia.net/article.php?id_article=14111
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That writer hasn't actually ever touched or used a Pre, but I'd go along with his conclusion:
Simplicity may be on the Pre’s side. While Linux-based, webOS development is centered on HTML5 and JavaScript and is therefore already well understood by web developers. But what chance has Palm of rallying the great and the good of application and content developers (as well as the masses) to webOS when even Nokia is struggling to keep them onside?

Developer support, as much as an ingenious user experience, will make or break these high-end device offerings going forward.
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editor said:
Err, the O2 stores sell shedloads of other phones, you know, and not every punter shares your enthusiasm for the iPhone either.

Regardless of what posters are in store windows, they reality is that most of their business comes from selling other makes of phone.
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Yes and the front window is what draws people inside, and it's iPhone, iPhone, iPhone! Palm are fucked if they think they can compete with that!
 
Kid_Eternity said:
Yes and the front window is what draws people inside, and it's iPhone, iPhone, iPhone! Palm are fucked if they think they can compete with that!
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Yes, they are there now, but have you got a magic time machine that shows you what their shopfronts will look like in a few months time, then?

Kid_Eternity said:
Yeah running a video of the Ed telling everyone that iPhone owners are no different from baby killers...:D
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Hilarious!
:rolleyes:
 
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