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I guess there must have been a fair bit of 'previous' going on between the two but it was interesting to hear that Leporte 'loved' the Pre and wanted to buy one.

Yep, it was a little shocking to see him swear as he's normally so mild mannered...the Pre is getting some good reviews, and some decent buzz but I can't help feel it's about to be trounced by the new iPhone press coverage wise...
 
Yep, it was a little shocking to see him swear as he's normally so mild mannered...the Pre is getting some good reviews, and some decent buzz but I can't help feel it's about to be trounced by the new iPhone press coverage wise...
I'm sure Apple will get the usual ton of press but the Pre has already made quite a splash and looks on course to notch up decent sales.

It's not going to trounce the iPhone, but that's not really the point: Palm need a solid, innovative performer as a platform to build on and the Pre seems to living up to its promise.
 
MarkSpace is about to release a sync tool for the Pre and Macs (PC coming soon):
MissingSync-PalmPre-sync-music.jpg

this is very good news...

my only other question mark is my legacy palm apps working on pre with the emulator
 
this is very good news...

my only other question mark is my legacy palm apps working on pre with the emulator
I think most old apps will run but you're buggered if they rely on hotsyncing - which buggers up Bonsai and NoteStudio.

It seems that the Pre has had a good start, with stores selling out pretty quickly.
Sprint’s store on Mission Street in San Francisco sold out of its allotment of 60 Pre phones within two hours, manager Daniel Chan said. The outlet started a waiting list and will get its next consignment in a few days, he said. About half the people who bought the Pre already owned an iPhone, he said.

Misha Vladimirskiy, a 30-year-old photographer from San Francisco, is on that waiting list and was told he should get his Pre in five days.

“I don’t mind waiting,” said Vladimirskiy, whose last three phones were from Palm. “This is 1,000-times better than the Treo.”

Sprint isn’t disclosing how many retailers sold out or when new supplies may come in from Palm, spokesman Mark Elliott said yesterday.

Palm may sell about 150,000 Pre phones this weekend, Lawrence Harris, an analyst at CL King & Associates, said in an interview. Piper Jaffray & Co.’s Michael Walkley puts the number at almost 200,000. New York-based Harris rates Palm “neutral” and Walkley, in Minneapolis, advises clients to buy the stock. Paul Coster, an analyst at JPMorgan Chase & Co. in New York, estimates weekend sales of more than 50,000.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aO8w4SDammvs
 
Tech guru Walt Mossberg calls it 'beautiful, innovative and versatile' in this seven minute video review.
All in all, I believe the Pre is a smart, sophisticated product that will have particular appeal for those who want a physical keyboard. It is thoughtfully designed, works well and could give the iPhone and BlackBerry strong competition -- but only if it fixes its app store and can attract third-party developers.

http://www.textually.org/textually/archives/2009/06/023774.htm/QUOTE]
 
T3 Mag have just reviewed the Pre - and they're well impressed.
As for the design, Palm did an inspired job of balancing the weight, size and shape of the Pre to fit gracefully into your hand (see hands-on photos here). When closed, it’s like holding a small, highly polished stone - a stone that can stream the music service Pandora while alerting you that your flight’s delayed. The screen is crisp, with 320 x 480 pixels - the exact same as the iPhone, though smaller in size, resulting in a better picture overall.

Multitouch works like a dream, with a light flick of the finger called upon when needing to perform an action. We hate to keep comparing it to the iPhone, but it feels more accurate and responsive, particularly when flicking the finger upwards to exit a program.

Sliding the finger along the bottom of the screen brings up the five launch bar choices, which is an addictive action to perform - we found ourselves doing this for no reason other than to stare in adoration at the rippled effect. It's easy to swap the five programs in the launch bar, however it comes with the standard calling, texting, emailing, internet and full menu launching functions. The latter will bring up a list of all the apps and programs available, like the camera.

...The whole experience replicates using a Mac or PC. Being able to flick around from an email, to a chat conversation, to music, to a browser, and then back to email is revolutionary. All phones should offer this, perhaps manufacturers need to spend more time on their computers, studying how they're actually used.

Speaking of using several programs at once, it's worth noting that heavy app and program users will find the battery life challenging. We couldn't get through a whole day without charging the Pre, but then, the same can be said for our iPhone, G1, Nokia N95 and any other smartphones on the market. Palm has been generous with the addition of a removable battery, however a battery than lasted longer than eight hours would've really got us raving.

http://www.t3.com/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/palm-pre-review
 
US only for now. If the comments on sites like Engadget are anything to go by (cue pinch of salt), the Pre is still looking a very strong contender after Apple's new iPhone announcement, and initial user feedback has been very positive.
 
Ah. Well I look forward to an Urban75 review.

Considering the prices for the new iPhone I think quite a few people will be tempted by the Pre and still no backgrounding on the iPhone... I can see a few Apple-hating mates upgrading their N95s to the Pre (or G1).
 
Nearly a week after launch, there's still a considerable buzz being generated by the Pre, with the phone picking up very positive reviews all round and huge interest from the tech community.

And here's a interesting 'leak':
Looks like Palm's webOS Reset Doctor, intended for resetting Pre smartphones with a mangled system, has been outed to the public at large along with a very special bonus for hackers and other programming enthusiasts: a complete 195MB root image of webOS itself. Code-inclined individuals on the PreCentral forums have already cracked open the ROM and are getting an unfettered glimpse at the Palm's new platform, which for the layman means it should open the doors for some crazy Pre hacking and possibly hint, by way of unfinished / unused code, of what's to come for the platform -- and if we're really lucky, maybe someone will be able to look at this and move us one step closer to an unlocked Pre that could jump onto Verizon's network

http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/09/palms-webos-root-image-leaks-out-code-enthusiasts-reschedule-t/
 
There's a very comprehensive review on Tech Radar. They seem pretty impressed. The camera pics looked pretty damn good too,
The Palm Pre is a good messaging phone, but not the best we have ever tried. It beats the iPhone, which is why we think the Palm Pre has a better shot as a business phone than a personal media player.

Keys on the slide-out keyboard are quite small – a hair smaller than the soft keys on the iPhone, in fact – but you will likely be able to type faster on the Palm Pre because of the tactile feedback – you can pres quickly and move on, but the iPhone soft keys provide no sensation when you press – unlike the Samsung Instinct, which uses haptics to give you feedback on finger presses.

TYPING: the slide-out keyboard is a real asset

We typed dozens of messages, both in Gmail, as SMS, and instant messages in AOL IM (the only support IM client that anyone actually uses). We loved the @ symbol being on the keyboard itself rather than having to access it with a modifier key, because it meant typing e-mail addresses much faster.

The real advantage to using the Palm Pre is that you can run multiple apps at once and copy and paste between them.

Say you just got an e-mail from a business associate and you want to send the text as an SMS to someone else. This simple activity is not possible on the iPhone.

On the Pre, you hold down the Shift key, highlight text, and then access the Edit function (you click the menu in the upper left corner). Then, you switch over to the SMS app, start a new text message, go to the menu again, and click Paste to paste in the text. It's useful – and unique to the Palm Pre, for now.

The Pre uses Microsoft Direct Push technology when you are connected to an Exchange server.

This means the phone operates like a BlackBerry in that you will receive e-mails without having to click refresh or send/receive. You can use one inbox for all of your messages – from Yahoo!, Hotmail, Gmail.
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/palm-pre-500030/review?src=rss&attr=all
 
Is that really Sprint's advantage on the bit that really matters - the service plans..the handset only price difference is $49. Or more like, huge fuck up by AT&T as per usual.
 
That price difference is entirely down to AT&T having the iPhone contract.

O2 have it here, expect near identical pricing to the iPhone.
 
Its the same price on Sprint as the iPhone (after that rebate).

Why would they give you a separate contract for it?

If they do offer a different contract to the iPhone, one camp will be pissed off.
 
you get bluetooth trainers so you can go jogging and the ipod records your run, plays music that varies in intensity etc. pretty popular apparently.
http://www.apple.com/ipod/nike/

waste of time if you ask me
Especially if you hate Nike!

You can see just about every single screen you'll ever see on the Palm pre:
http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...-pre-screen-explained-607521?src=rss&attr=all

It really is a beautifully designed interface, easily as good as the iPhone's (if not better, IMO), which makes the new Nokia look even more stone age.
 
Especially if you hate Nike!

You can see just about every single screen you'll ever see on the Palm pre:
http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...-pre-screen-explained-607521?src=rss&attr=all

It really is a beautifully designed interface, easily as good as the iPhone's (if not better, IMO), which makes the new Nokia look even more stone age.

Sure it looks good but the iPhone's is incredibly user friendly...even my dad the world's biggest technophobe 'got it' and from the vids I think the iPhone shades it on useability.
 
Sure it looks good but the iPhone's is incredibly user friendly...even my dad the world's biggest technophobe 'got it' and from the vids I think the iPhone shades it on useability.

I did read somewhere that the gestures on the Pre aren't obvious and when it was shown to people they weren't sure how to use the phone. Contrast this with the iPhone which anyone without smart phone experience can use with ease...
 
I did read somewhere that the gestures on the Pre aren't obvious and when it was shown to people they weren't sure how to use the phone. Contrast this with the iPhone which anyone without smart phone experience can use with ease...
This worries me too. The 'gesture area' is completely unmarked and does multiple things that are not immediately apparent. It's very clever and looks nice to use, but it's not intuitive.
 
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