Osama bin Laden killed by US forces in Pakistan

[Jazzz]

surprise... it's a load of nonsense as usual

Here are the latest changes to the Obama administration’s lies-filled script. Let’s keep track of them, and keep them on the front burner, because as you know, as more come out, as we get more confirmed contradictions, the fantastical story tends to get pushed onto the backburner by the media, from front page stories-headlines to Page A2, and from there to B18, and pretty quickly into the usual black hole:

We have gone from the heavy and intensely fought operation against fighting armed men in the Bin Laden compound to no real fight and only one little armed man:

Four of the five people shot to death in the operation that killed Osama bin Laden, including the al-Qaida leader himself, were unarmed and never fired a shot…​

We went from armed Bin Laden using his wife as a shield to armed Bin Laden using an anonymous woman as a shield, to unarmed Bin Laden using some kind of a woman as a shield, and now, unarmed Bin Laden in pajamas using no one as a shield!

White House PSYOP script falls apart - Sibel Edmonds

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Love the way so many liberals are celebrating the extra judicial killing of Osama. Ejits

I don't see anyone "celebrating." Its more a quiet acknowledgement that people who kill often get killed themselves.

 

[Spymaster]

So Jazzz, you haven't read the thread have you.

Dylans beat you to this hours ago, and he didn't have to refer to some other windbag.

I told you Dylans, see the company you're in?????

There should be a Godwins equivalent for whenever Jazzz agrees with you!

 

[weltweit]

Yes, it would definately have been more acceptable if Bin Laden had had his trusty AK47 with him and had put up an armed struggle during which he had been killed.

That he presented himself jesus like to the American soldiers, who killed him anyway - may serve to make his story as a fable in the walks of life that revere Al Qaida folklore yet more valuable.

It seems a bit strange that there may not have been much of a firefight at the compound as they must have had warning of the descending helicopters. But that is all supposition and speculation, we just don't know what happenned and likely never will.

It does seem that Pakistani intelligence did likely lead the Americans to this compound. I have seen reported that they monitored a satellite phone call between this compound and Saudi in which the conversation was about a financial transaction. Pakistani intelligence said they shared this with the Americans.

However, perhaps the Americans already knew Bin Laden was there, they had apparently built a duplicate compound within the USA to train their assault teams on. That could not be done overnight, so it is likely the Americans knew who was in this compound some time ago.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

White House PSYOP script falls apart - Sibel Edmonds

I actually think Obama's bunch are pretty nifty at psyops, but not the way your lizard-fancying mates do.

I think he's running a brilliant psyops job intended to encourage the likes of PrisonPlanet and FreeRepublic to merge around the same risible nonsense and then try to game things so that whoever he's going to end up running against has had to sign up to it, at least to some degree, in order to get the frothing right of the Republican party to support them. So he can then pull out the actual evidence during election season and torpedo them on prime time.

 

[dylans]

So Jazzz, you haven't read the thread have you.

Dylans beat you to this hours ago, and he didn't have to refer to some other windbag.

I told you Dylans, see the company you're in?????

There should be a Godwins equivalent for whenever Jazzz agrees with you!

I thought Jazz was arguing that Bin Laden was already dead and anyway shouldn't have been shot because it was the Jooz who did 9/11 with holographic laser beams.

 

[paolo]

since when has that kind of point ever made a difference to US government behavior?

Maybe never, but that doesn't mean that the question can't be asked.

I don't think the answer is clear cut. At best we can speculate about the different consequences of execute vs. arrest & trial.

 

[Spymaster]

I thought Jazz was arguing that Bin Laden was already dead and anyway shouldn't have been shot because it was the Jooz who did 9/11 with holographic laser beams.

Be fair, give him time .....

 

[dylans]

Good article here on the way many on the liberal left have rediscovered Obama after being so disappointed for so long and how it is precisely the things he has in common with Bush (ie his gung-ho disregard for due process etc) that now endears him to them. Talking about he blogger "digby" whose blog hullabaloo can be found here http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2011/05/birth-of-deathers.html In her blog she says the following which echoes the "why are you surprised" line of some here

The question of whether the president could order an assassination was settled some time ago. They assert the right to keep prisoners in jail forever and kill American citizens, and nobody cares, so why in the world would there be any domestic blowback for ordering the death of the world's most wanted man?

In response the author makes the following observation

Here is where the schizophrenia sets in. It is obvious, from this and other posts, that Digby is horrified and outraged at Obama’s open claim of this universal license to kill and imprison with impunity. That is, she fully recognizes that the United States government is led by a man who believes he can murder anyone he pleases, at any time, at his own arbitrary decision. She knows that he has used this power over and over, most extensively in Pakistan, where even by the most conservative estimates hundreds of innocent people – including many women and children – have been killed in Obama’s drone missile campaign.

She knows, in other words, that Obama has killed hundreds of innocent people. Hundreds of innocent people. Little children, women, old folks, young marrieds, fathers, mothers, teenagers – he has killed them in their own homes, in the streets of their villages, in their cars, at their weddings and funerals and birthday parties and family gatherings, raining down missiles, without warning, with no way to escape, no defense, killed them, the babies, the children, the old, the sick, ripped their bodies to shreds, buried them under rubble, tore off their heads, set them on fire to die in the purest agony. She knows this. She decries this. She believes it is wrong. Yet the general thrust of her widely read blog is that this man who does these things, who commits these horrors, who claims these murderous, tyrannous powers, should, at all costs, be retained in power so that he can carry on doing these things which sicken and horrify her.

But this is not simply a case of lesser evilism in a system where all the alternatives are grim – i.e., “Well, Göring is a monster but he’s probably marginally better than Hitler; let’s support a bloody coup to install him as Führer”. No; Digby and many other progressives whose writings show they are perfectly aware of the atrocities that Obama has committed and the evil policies he embraces – such as the unrestricted license to kill – still display an active affection and celebratory support for him. To them, even though he has killed these people and claimed these awful powers, he is still one cool guy.

Yes, the president of the United States, accompanied by various Establishment worthies and doubtless a few dignified clerics, will stand at Ground Zero to glorify a killing that his own minions tell us will change nothing whatsoever: the wars will go on, “vigilance will be redoubled” (i.e., civil liberties will continue to be eroded, black ops will continue in the 70 countries or more where America is carrying out covert operations), the Secret State will keep growing, the universal license to kill and snatch and incarcerate and torture will remain in full force. So what exactly is being celebrated?

Oh, but let us not be stupid. Let us acknowledge that the president kills innocent people and “asserts the right to keep prisoners in jail forever and kill American citizens” and puts out false information (subconsciously, of course! Always subconsciously!) about murky operations which we must take on faith like dutiful subjects in militarized state, not fully-fledged citizens in a republic – but let us still revel in his triumphs, delight in his eloquence, and work with all our strength to make sure he continues to invert, pervert and subvert every progressive value we hold dear.

That’s not “stupid” at all, is it?

http://www.chris-floyd.com/componen...125-day-of-the-dead-the-hit-man-as-hero-.html

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Yes, but the context is US politics. They're competing for this guy's vote ...

So this isn't really a surprise.

 

[weltweit]

Yes, but the context is US politics. They're competing for this guy's vote ...

So this isn't really a surprise.

I find that quite offensive, in a number of ways ..

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Well, OK, changed.

 

[weltweit]

Well, OK, changed.

ok, thanks, much less offensive

I am afraid I can't edit my post, I don't mean I don't want to but I can't edit posts anymore so it will have to stay.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

ok, thanks, much less offensive

I am afraid I can't edit my post, I don't mean I don't want to but I can't edit posts anymore so it will have to stay.

For what it's worth, I got it from an article where it was meant to illustrate typical teabagger voters.

 

[audiotech]

Since 1945 the US has overthrown 50 governments, most of which were democratically elected, crushed 30 liberation movements and killed countless numbers:

http://killinghope.org/bblum6/aer72.html

U.S. government assassination plots:

http://killinghope.org/bblum6/assass.htm

Killing Hope: US Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II.
by William Blum

 

[dylans]

India is starting to sabre rattle in regard to Pakistan. Army Chief Gen VK Singh has hinted that India may repeat the US operation.

General Singh had told reporters in Lucknow on Wednesday that Indian defence forces were capable of conducting such surgical strikes. "I just want to say that if we get the chance, Indian force's three units (Army, Air Force and Navy) are capable of undertaking such tasks," Gen Singh had said.

India blames Pakistan for the Mumbai attacks and indeed Pakistan has admitted that the attacks were planned in Pakistan. Several suspects are in custody but India wants the arrest of their most wanted man Hafeez Sayeed who leads the banned militant group Lashkar-e-Tayyeba who India blames for the attacks

After the US raid on Osama's mansion without taking the consent of the Pakistani establishment, there have been demands from within India to kill those guilty in the 26/11 attack in Mumbai. It is also established beyond doubt that India's most-wanted - Hafiz Saeed, Zaki-ur-Rahman Lakhvi, Masood Azar, Yusuf Muzammil, Sajid Mir and Dawood Ibrahim - enjoy the protection of Pakistan's security agencies

Pakistan has warned of a "catastrophe" if India tried to emulate the US attacks.

Pakistan foreign secretary Salman Bashir has warned India against entertaining the idea that it can undertake an Abbottabad-type operation.

Bashir said that if any country in South Asia tries to indulge into unilateralism, it will face severe consequences.

Although he did not name India, his comments came a day after Army Chief Gen VK Singh's remarks that India had the ability to carry out an Abbottabad type operation. "Any kind of unilateralism will have terrible catastrophe," the Pakistani foreign secretary said.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...gn-secretary-to-india/articleshow/8173072.cms

 

[IC3D]

an anagram of Osama Bin Laden is "Lob da man in sea"

 

[Jazzz]

However, perhaps the Americans already knew Bin Laden was there, they had apparently built a duplicate compound within the USA to train their assault teams on. That could not be done overnight, so it is likely the Americans knew who was in this compound some time ago.

It's inconceivable that the Americans, with all their intelligence systems, have not known precisely where he was all of the time.

It is indeed still my speculation that he may have already been dead. Or dying. Then, it would make sense for them to finish him.

 

[Corax]

It's inconceivable that the Americans, with all their intelligence systems, have not known precisely where he was all of the time.

It's not you know. I can conceive of it quite easily. As can many people.

I think you overestimate their capabilities somewhat.

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

I find that quite offensive, in a number of ways ..

give us 7

 

[audiotech]

http://www.b3tards.com/u/dc3f4e71b87321aaf1c1/head_shot.jpg

 

[RaverDrew]

an anagram of Osama Bin Laden is "Lob da man in sea"

Osama Bin Laden's DNA results have just come back...

24% cocoa
52% coconut
18% sugar
6% milk

Although experts say the results may have been skewed by the bounty on his head.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

It's not you know. I can conceive of it quite easily. As can many people.

I think you overestimate their capabilities somewhat.

Yep, I agree. TBH, sorry Jazzz, but this is symptomatic of your worldview to see all-powerful forces manipulating everything at whim. I think the world is a much more disorganised and messy place than you imagine.

It's a bit like benefit or tax fraud. Even now, it generally is not sophisticated tracking computer systems that catch you. It is a human being dobbing you in.

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

i heard that elton john has rewritten candle in the wind, after the similarities between osama and diana come about.

he's called it sandles in the wind......





i'll get me coat.....

 

[1%er]

There's already been some trouble for Osama bin Laden in the afterlife. There was a mix up and he was greeted by 72 vegans.

 

[RaverDrew]

I'll bet Osama regrets using his real address on the PSN now

 

[1%er]

Osama bin Laden's death has been in the news all day. Leftish stations are going, 'President Obama saves the world.' Stations on the right are going, 'Obama kills fellow Muslim.

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

I'll bet Osama regrets using his real address on the PSN now

brilliant

 

[Yossarian]

White House PSYOP script falls apart - Sibel Edmonds

"They're working from a script - I can tell because they offered conflicting statements and changed their own story."

 

[agricola]

Apologies if this has been posted before, but Peter Oborne's latest piece on this issue is worth a read (though most of the comments below arent).