Occupy Wall Street

[dilute micro]

Relevance? Or is it the case that, once again, you're pursuing your own narrow agenda here?

Yes it's entirely relevant. How do you suppose it's a personal agenda?

The original government is well documented and so is its transformation into the centralized one we have now. Government of centralized power isn't a new invention. The founders believed that the best way to protect liberty was to disseminate power closer to the people where the people would have better eyes on it because it would be right in their face as opposed to a distant government that controlled your lives while you're unaware of what was happening. The federal government was only given limited powers. It wasn't even made up the way it is today. It was engineered towards local representation - the state congresses, where the real power was, chose the US senators. Vice-presidents were elected on their own - not a package deal with the president. The supreme court didn't have the power it has now. The presidency didn't have the power it has now. And so on...

Nowadays no one in government cares what limitations are supposed to be imposed on their office. The president takes powers that by law (or spirit of the law) only belong to the congress. The congress takes powers that belong to the states. There's no one governing the government. That's what it's all about. That's where the issues that have the people in the streets come from. If government has no rules then in opportunistic fashion an outside entity comes in and takes advantage - it takes control. Who do you think controls the government...'the people'? This shit has been going on in earnest for over 150 years. President Grant himself coined the term 'lobbyist'. Attempts to turn the government into a political patronage & profit machine had gone on well before that. That's the "personal agenda". You've got it backwards and you don't realize it.

 

[Mapped]

Well i agree, to a point. Most people still dont get their news from grass-roots organisations though...

But if those that do, whose numbers seem to be growing judging by my recent fbook activity, keep banging on about it and spreading the word and taking action, then momentum will build and the MSM will have to take notice.

But then again I'm very new to this and riding on a wave of optimism I probably need more balance and focus to bring me back down to earth a bit.

 

[Ae589]

The original government is well .... you don't realize it.

A valid point. But none of that would prevent corporate money buying influence would it? It just would be spread around rather than focused on the president.

 

[dilute micro]

A valid point. But none of that would prevent corporate money buying influence would it? It just would be spread around rather than focused on the president.

No there's no guarantee that it wouldn't but more of it would be confined to state-level politics. It would then have a better chance at being kept in check. Corporations would have to worry about other states and not just the federal.

The government as it is now is custom designed for corruption.

 

[Treacle Toes]

 

[nino_savatte]

Yes it's entirely relevant. How do you suppose it's a personal agenda?

You coughed up "states rights" again in the same way a cat coughs up a fur ball. How relevant is that to OWS? It isn't relevant at all.

 

[dilute micro]

You coughed up "states rights" again in the same way a cat coughs up a fur ball. How relevant is that to OWS? It isn't relevant at all.

I outlined its relevance.

Monied control is utilizing a power that isn't supposed to exist. The reason the power exists - is for monied control.

 

[nino_savatte]

I outlined its relevance.

Monied control is utilizing a power that isn't supposed to exist. The reason the power exists - is for monied control.

Do you suffer from OCD too? Just a thought.
This thread isn't about you or your narrow interests.

 

[dilute micro]

Do you suffer from OCD too? Just a thought.
This thread isn't about you or your narrow interests.

The protesters have the same interests. It's all connected.

 

[nino_savatte]

The protesters have the same interests. It's all connected.

They're only "connected" in your head.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

A message to America's corporate thugs:

 

[dilute micro]

They're only "connected" in your head.

It's the same US government...the ones the corporations run.

 

[Barking_Mad]

Well said. I really liked some of his music but that's the first time ive seen and heard him speak about it.

 

[rekil]

He's a conspiraloon/truther. Illuminati this illuminati that.

 

[Barking_Mad]

 

[Treacle Toes]

He's a conspiraloon/truther. Illuminati this illuminati that.

Who cares?...his commentary above was spot on!

 

[DotCommunist]

sound head.

 

[Nylock]

Who's the wanker with the green tie in that clip?

 

[dilute micro]

good video

And it's good to hear Grayson fault everybody....republicans and democrats.

 

[albionism]

Some lovely slo-mo footage here

 

[AKA pseudonym]

feckin trustafarians!

 

[dilute micro]

Limbaugh makes me sick. I just googled that quote. Believe it or not - part of that quote is on his website on the 'pearls of wisdom' page.

 

[theCIA]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ity-photos-of-the-week-oct-12/article2197635/

disgruntled caption writer ftw.

 

[Nylock]

 

[TomUS]

Who's the wanker with the green tie in that clip?

PJ O'Rourke. A thoroughly obnoxious right wing satirist & "funny guy" who writes books & makes big bucks doing it. It was great the way Alan Grayson ripped him apart. The audience gave Grayson a standing ovation....first time it's happened on Bill Maher's show I hear.

Grayson was a Dem rep from Florida who was defeated in 2010. He's running again in 2012 to get his old seat back. Be great if he makes it.

 

[Mapped]

An young friend of mine just posted this on her facebook wall. It's on a roll

Occupy Amsterdam
Saturday at 12:00 - 05 November at 12:00

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=255019801209596

 

[Barking_Mad]

Great tune.

 

[Barking_Mad]

Mayor Bloomberg wants to close Liberty Park.

#ows to be removed at 7am.

Rogue caption writer lolz

Lauren Conrad, well-known chronicler of the down and out in Orange County, wore shorts to the polo match to show her support for people who can't afford long pants, something she read about online one time or something.

 

[Barking_Mad]

Selena Gomez, attending the premiere of "The Thing," is delighted by Eli Roth's discourse on how power belongs to those who control the means of production. You'd be good at feigning interest, too, if you were dating Justin Bieber.

 

[audiotech]

Just received this email from a US campaigning group:

At 7 a.m. tomorrow, Mayor Bloomberg is evicting the Occupy Wall Street protesters from their occupation of Zuccotti Park, unless you can help.

Zuccotti Park is the birthplace of the Occupy protests sweeping the nation and capturing the public's attention. It's where a community of committed Americans are standing up against Wall Street and the corporate capture of our democracy for the 99% of us trying to take back the American Dream.
But tomorrow at 7 a.m., under Mayor Bloomberg's orders, the NYPD is coming to Zuccotti Park to kick the 99% protesters out. It's being done under the guise of "cleaning" the park, but new rules will mean the end of the occupation.