NUS national protest against the cuts 10.11.10 [London]

[Idris2002]

more of a score draw - you're not suggesting he was wrong to want to see a dead generalissimo, or that he didn't want to see him dead.

In his Reminiscences of the Cuban Revolutionary War Guevara tells the story of how he had a 14 year old boy shot for thieving. What's disturbing is the way he says it. If he'd said 'we did a terrible thing, but it was a desperate situation', it would still have been a disgusting thing to do, but less disturbing than treating it as a walk in the park, which is the tone 'El Che' takes in regard to that case.

 

[teuchter]

i for one am just oh so shocked by pickman's awfully controversial opinions.

 

[Idris2002]

i for one am just oh so shocked by pickman's awfully controversial opinions.

You don't say?

 

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The protesters in the Tory HQ building and on the roof released this statement:

We oppose all cuts and we stand in solidarity with public sector workers, and all poor, disabled, elderly and working people. We are occupying the roof in opposition to the marketisation of education pushed through by the coalition government, and the system they are pushing through of helping the rich and attacking the poor. We call for direct action to oppose these cuts- this is only the beginning of the resistance to the destruction of our education system and public services.

 

[Pickman's model]

i for one am just oh so shocked by pickman's awfully controversial opinions.

whatever other sins you can be accused of, originality isn't one of them

 

[claphamboy]

The Daily Wail will probably report that it was a disgruntled FBU member.

and you're the man to hand it out?

I don't care who hands it out, he or she was a right cunt to do that, don't you agree?

 

[nick h.]

It's intriguing that the police were so hopeless. Was it deliberate? Maybe they wanted to show what happens when they don't use G20 tactics? They're hoping the press and politicians will ask them to get back to their old tricks next time - lots more officers, everyone suited up, horses etc.

 

[Voley]

I liked the kid I just saw on TV who said 'It's like the days of Thatcher. You've got the cuts. Now you've got the riot."

Very pleased to see so many standing up to this government. More, please.

 

[fractionMan]

Watching the NUS guy on channel 4+1.

What a cunt.

 

[teuchter]

I don't care who hands it out, he or she was a right cunt to do that, don't you agree?

So you want to punish someone for potentially injuring someone by violently injuring them.

 

[jiggajagga]

I liked the kid I just saw on TV who said 'It's like the days of Thatcher. You've got the cuts. Now you've got the riot."

Very pleased to see so many standing up to this government. More, please.

I agree.
Poll tax march = violence= change of government policy
Womens rights march = violence and civil disobediance = change of government policy
March against war in Iraq = peacful = no change of government policy
Nuff said?

 

[claphamboy]

So you want to punish someone for potentially injuring someone by violently injuring them.

No, I want to punish someone for potentially killing someone by giving them a few cuts & bruises.

 

[Gerry1time]

so churchill was wrong then about wanting dead germans.

i recently saw an advertisement from a 1917 copy of the hackney gazette advertising a film showing of battlefield action from the battle of ancre, the last bit of the battle of the somme. the ad said the projector operator would be a mained soldier who was one of many trained to operate a projector to give them gainful employment. the footage contained scenes of tanks moving forwards and killing jerry. i don't suppose there would have been many people in the audience who'd have taken kindly to your argument. if it won't stand up when put to the test - against hitler or kaisar wilhelm, for example - it's not a particularly good argument.

and look at thatcher, for a more recent example. there's lots of people here and elsewhere in this country who were sorely disappointed when she didn't pop her clogs in brighton. the showing from threads about her impending death indicates to me that you're not exactly in a majority here.

Your extrapolated supposition about the feelings of people in a cinema in 1917 is hardly an argument now is it?

If you go out to kill others as an act of war, then you can expect to get killed as a result of that. That's how it works. Those that Churchill wished dead were those that wanted us dead. It was a war.

Were any of those on whom the fire extinguisher was dropped wishing anyone dead, be they the police or the protesting students? Of course not. Trying to kill, even risking killing, people as part of a protest is a cunt's trick. That's why I'll fully condemn the coppers that caused deaths at the G20 protests, just as I'll condemn any protestors that even risked causing deaths in this one. We're all living on this little island together. Anyone who aims to kill or cause the death of a fellow citizen is a cunt.

It seems from the other responses on this thread that actually you're not exactly in the majority here.

 

[DJ Squelch]

It's intriguing that the police were so hopeless. Was it deliberate? Maybe they wanted to show what happens when they don't use G20 tactics? They're hoping the press and politicians will ask them to get back to their old tricks next time - lots more officers, everyone suited up, horses etc.

Maybe images going round the world of police beating students in the UK wouldn't of sat to well with Cameron over in China trying to bring up their human rights record.

 

[OneStrike]

It's intriguing that the police were so hopeless. Was it deliberate? Maybe they wanted to show what happens when they don't use G20 tactics? They're hoping the press and politicians will ask them to get back to their old tricks next time - lots more officers, everyone suited up, horses etc.

I know that this is a deluded thought but part of my brain was trying to persuade everything i have ever known that the police were on the protestors side, so doing the bare minimum (don't laugh, i know!).

 

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It's intriguing that the police were so hopeless. Was it deliberate?

i can't help but wonder the same. 225 officers deployed today.

Tory cuts to policing imminent, Tory HQ trashed by very poorly policed protest. you've got to wonder.

 

[Gerry1time]

Womens rights march = violence and civil disobediance = change of government policy

It was actually the peaceful suffragists, not the protesting suffragettes, who are acknowledged to have led to that particular change in the law.

 

[Treacle Toes]

It was actually the peaceful suffragists, not the protesting suffragettes, who are acknowledged to have led to that particular change in the law.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

i can't help but wonder the same. 225 officers deployed today.

Tory cuts to policing imminent, Tory HQ trashed by very poorly policed protest. you've got to wonder.

As Ed said earlier on, G20 tactics would have resulted in some proper violence, & the Met knew it.

 

[nick h.]

Maybe images going round the world of police beating students in the UK wouldn't of sat to well with Cameron over in China trying to bring up their human rights record.

True.

The Met's excuse that they were taken by surprise seems uncharacteristically limp. Maybe they want to plead poverty - "we don't have the money for intelligence". Or "we don't have the money for adequate reserves".

 

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Watching the NUS guy on channel 4+1.

What a cunt.

a thick cunt to boot. pissed away a very good hand there.

 

[strung out]

True.

The Met's excuse that they were taken by surprise seems uncharacteristically limp. Maybe they want to plead poverty - "we don't have the money for intelligence". Or "we don't have the money for adequate reserves".

maybe they should send some undercover officers to infiltrate halls of residence over a number of years?

 

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As Ed said earlier on, G20 tactics would have resulted in some proper violence, & the Met knew it.

225 police looked short. more numbers doesn't = g20 tactics.

 

[killer b]

any predictions on what effect this will have on the planned campus actions in a couple of weeks? nervous local plod cracking down too hard perhaps?

 

[teuchter]

No, I want to punish someone for potentially killing someone by giving them a few cuts & bruises.

I'd say that giving someone a "good kicking" could amount to "potentially killing" them.

I suppose you'd be happy for the police to give them a "good kicking".

 

[Goatherd]

Irony anyone?

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Po...e-Spending-Cuts-Begin/Article/201004215599056

 

[claphamboy]

This is a great shot:

Student angry at being dragged from his bed for the afternoon protest?

 

[Mr Smin]

maybe they should send some undercover officers to infiltrate halls of residence over a number of years?

A nice idea, but budget cuts mean they couldn't afford the fees.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Irony anyone?

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Po...e-Spending-Cuts-Begin/Article/201004215599056

'Greek Style Unrest If Narrow Tory Win'



5:52pm UK, Sunday April 11, 2010

James Jordan, Sky News Online
Britain could be hit by a wave of "Greek style" unrest if a Tory government narrowly wins the election and brings in big spending cuts, Nick Clegg has warned.

 

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"I got there at 1.10pm, at 1.30pm the first students ran up to the front of Millbank. There were then about four or five police around but there was no barrier or cordon as outside parliament and Downing Street. As the march arrived down there the police disappeared. I left the resturant and walked up nearer the front of the protesters and there were no police around. There were five around the back doing nothing. The police didn't arrive in force until 3pm."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/blog/2010/nov/10/demo-2010-student-protests-live

hmm.