New (Used) Car - Smoking Smell

[Pickman's model]

Grind them, filter hit water through them, add milk and you have a cup of coffee, goes really nice with a snout.

So throw the liquid and a snout (& trotters?) into the car?

 

[DownwardDog]

Tbf I don't shop at that end of the market. However I'd have thought if they hid the smoke smell with the just valeted smell, then it's slightly deceptive. Of course they don't have to, but sometimes a little bit of goodwill goes a long way to getting repeat custom.

Nobody in the car game gives a fuck once they have your money.

 

[Johnny Doe]

Perhaps, but I think it’s more likely they’ll tell him it was given a valet before he took delivery and point him towards an air freshening product. They’re certainly under no obligation to do much else but as you say they may do something out of goodwill.

I mailed them last night and they've said they'll inspect it when I go in next week to pick up the mats they've ordered me and the half tank of fuel I didn't have time to wait for. I've whacked a air freshener in there this morning, along with buying a bag of cat litter and leaving that open to soak the odour up. I've also got a can of anti-tobacco Febreeze, to spray in tonight after the kids are out of the car.

I'm a little more sanguine this morning, having just been out in it, it's not like it reeks of smoke when you open the door, but I can definitely tell it's been smoked in. I suspect it will be fine in a couple of weeks, which isn't ideal, but isn't the end of the world

 

[SheilaNaGig]

He’s bought a diesel motor, what’s coming out the back of that is infinitely more dangerous to everyone than traces of some three month old cigarette smoke.

Not necessarily.

It might be more dangerous. Not enough studies to be sure about it but enough to leave a big question mark over it, imo.

And most people aren’t aware of the risks of third hand smoke.

BBC NEWS | Health | Smoking more toxic than car fumes

news.bbc.co.uk

Third-hand smoke just as deadly as first-hand smoke, study finds

Do not smoke and do not allow yourself to be exposed to smoke because second-hand smoke and third-hand smoke are just as deadly as first-hand smoke, say scientists who conducted the first animal study of the effects of third-hand smoke.

www.sciencedaily.com

Particulate matters from diesel heavy duty trucks exhaust versus cigarettes emissions: a new educational antismoking instrument - Multidisciplinary Respiratory Medicine

Background Indoor smoking in public places and workplaces is forbidden in Italy since 2003, but some health concerns are arising from outdoor secondhand smoke (SHS) exposure for non-smokers. One of the biggest Italian Steel Manufacturer, with several factories in Italy and abroad, the...

mrmjournal.biomedcentral.com

'Non-smoking' doesn't mean smoke-free: Thirdhand smoke persists and spreads indoors with help from aerosol particles

Despite decades of indoor smoking bans and restrictions, new research from Drexel University suggests the toxins we've been trying to keep out are still finding their way into the air inside. Findings by a group of environmental engineers show that third-hand smoke, the chemical residue from...

medicalxpress.com

I never said he should take the car back. I just used this as an opportunity to let people know about third hand smoke.



Now you do your bit: call bullshit and pull out the links that debunk it. There are plenty of those too.

 

[Johnny Doe]

Nobody in the car game gives a fuck once they have your money.

I'd need to check it applies, but they might be a little more conciliatory in the 14 day cooling off period

 

[Johnny Doe]

Not necessarily.

It might be more dangerous. Not enough studies to be sure about it but enough to leave a big question mark over it, imo.

And most people aren’t aware of the risks of third hand smoke.

Yeah, still reading around this

 

[souljacker]

In my experience, a car needs to have been heavily smoked in over a long period for the smell to really linger. A car that age wouldn't have been around long enough for it to have been completely absorbed by all the fabric and a decent valet would get rid of the smell. My guess is that it was smoked in briefly and recently, possibly after the valet (did they valet it before giving it to you or when it arrived first arrived at the garage?) and after a week you wouldn't notice it. I'd also guess that there is no danger to your kids. I'm neither a doctor or an expert in smells though.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Not necessarily.

It might be more dangerous. Not enough studies to be sure about it but enough to leave a big question mark over it, imo.

And most people aren’t aware of the risks of third hand smoke.

BBC NEWS | Health | Smoking more toxic than car fumes

news.bbc.co.uk

Third-hand smoke just as deadly as first-hand smoke, study finds

Do not smoke and do not allow yourself to be exposed to smoke because second-hand smoke and third-hand smoke are just as deadly as first-hand smoke, say scientists who conducted the first animal study of the effects of third-hand smoke.

www.sciencedaily.com

Particulate matters from diesel heavy duty trucks exhaust versus cigarettes emissions: a new educational antismoking instrument - Multidisciplinary Respiratory Medicine

Background Indoor smoking in public places and workplaces is forbidden in Italy since 2003, but some health concerns are arising from outdoor secondhand smoke (SHS) exposure for non-smokers. One of the biggest Italian Steel Manufacturer, with several factories in Italy and abroad, the...

mrmjournal.biomedcentral.com

'Non-smoking' doesn't mean smoke-free: Thirdhand smoke persists and spreads indoors with help from aerosol particles

Despite decades of indoor smoking bans and restrictions, new research from Drexel University suggests the toxins we've been trying to keep out are still finding their way into the air inside. Findings by a group of environmental engineers show that third-hand smoke, the chemical residue from...

medicalxpress.com

I never said he should take the car back. I just used this as an opportunity to let people know about third hand smoke.



Now you do your bit: call bullshit and pull out the links that debunk it. There are plenty of those too.

None of those relate to someone once having smoked in a car a long time ago.

 

[platinumsage]

I'd need to check it applies, but they might be a little more conciliatory in the 14 day cooling off period

You only get a 14-day "cooling off period" if you didn't see the car before buying it.

 

[Chilli.s]

I can commiserate with this, the last car i bought had a similar problem. All fine on the inspection and doing the deal, it had obviously been cleaned. Only after a few days did I start to get in it and notice the smell, it had been used to transport a dog at some time in its history. The smell did go away... or did I get used to it...

 

[Johnny Doe]

In my experience, a car needs to have been heavily smoked in over a long period for the smell to really linger. A car that age wouldn't have been around long enough for it to have been completely absorbed by all the fabric and a decent valet would get rid of the smell. My guess is that it was smoked in briefly and recently, possibly after the valet (did they valet it before giving it to you or when it arrived first arrived at the garage?) and after a week you wouldn't notice it. I'd also guess that there is no danger to your kids. I'm neither a doctor or an expert in smells though.

It's had one owner, a Mercedes manager, apparently. Obviously, whether that's 100% true is always up for debate when buying a used car. If that person was a smoker, the smell will deeply ingrained in the fabric areas particularly.

 

[Sweet FA]

You've got kids - give it a few months and someone will have puked/crapped in the back, overlaying the smoke smell and making the car truly yours.

 

[Marty1]

So I bought a new car today, a '67 plate Mercedes E220d AMG Line. 9k miles on the clock, from a Mercedes garage, was happy with the price.

All the way home I had a nagging feeling that along the 'just valeted for sale' aroma, there was something else. Mrs Smiles, got in when I got home and immediately said 'this has been driven by a smoker, you cam smell it.' I realised straight away that was what had been bothering me.

So...I've mailed the dealer just now, but I'm not sure what I want. Can they treat the car and banish the smell? Is there any risk to my kids, lingering carcinogens etc?

I’d guess the stench will dissipate over time.

As already mentioned, maybe a deep clean valet then just get a decent air freshener for any lingering whiffs.

 

[danski]

Dunno if mentioned but it might help to have the aircon filters changed too.

 

[Ax^]

the smell will dissipate over time just keep putting new air freshers into it before driving

does make me giggle and could be worse my da bought a second hand astra from a young lad once
and the first time i got into it i noticed the "soundpipe" decal on the back window, an alpine stereo and a little pair of Trinidad boxing gloves
handing from the rear view mirror

so turned on the heating of the car and you could of gotten high from the smell from the vents

 

[TopCat]

A good thorough clean and an ozone bomb should do it.

 

[not-bono-ever]

internal cabin filter will be sodden with smoke debris and will keep on recirculating - should be changed anyway

 

[Johnny Doe]

I've had this before. You need to get Dakota Non Smoke and spray it into the car. Works a treat. You might need to give it a couple of goes.

Just ordered some of this.Cheers

 

[Spymaster]

Just ordered some of this.Cheers

It doesn’t have a particularly pleasant smell of
It’s own but it’s better than fags and only lasts about a week.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Tertiary smoke , third hand smoke, is a risk to health.

Concern over 'third-hand smoke'

Study on third-hand smoke that lingers on things like clothes and furnishings which can be as dangerous to babies and children as second-hand smoke

www.nhs.uk

Um.

' The complex research behind these reports is a laboratory study that has demonstrated that new carcinogenic substances develop when a natural substance (cellulose) is first exposed to nicotine and then to nitrous acid in the air. '

 

[Sasaferrato]

I've had this before. You need to get Dakota Non Smoke and spray it into the car. Works a treat. You might need to give it a couple of goes.

Or wait a few months. Our car now has no smell of tobacco smoke. It took a few months after we stopped smoking.

 

[Spymaster]

Or wait a few months. Our car now has no smell of tobacco smoke. It took a few months after we stopped smoking.

You smoked in the car?

Even as a committed smoker I never did. Minging. I was quite militant about it.

 

[nick]

Leave some bicarbonate of soda in an open container permanently in the car.

May or may not help, but if it doesn’t you’ll only have spent a couple of quid. - and you can put the rest in your smelly shoes

 

[WouldBe]

If you're going to complain to the dealer it would be worth NOT using air freshener or fabric cleaner beforehand or they might not notice the problem.

 

[Sasaferrato]

You smoked in the car?

Even as a committed smoker I never did. Minging. I was quite militant about it.

Tis a no smoking zone now, has been since June 2017.

 

[hash tag]

I have heard leaving a box of fresh grass cuttings on the back seat for a few days could help or Odour Eliminator

 

[hash tag]

Here Smoke Bomb For Cars - Neutralize Odors Easily - DetailDIY

 

[SheilaNaGig]

Um.

' The complex research behind these reports is a laboratory study that has demonstrated that new carcinogenic substances develop when a natural substance (cellulose) is first exposed to nicotine and then to nitrous acid in the air. '

FFS, this place.

Research is scanty, findings are contentious, but since many people don’t even know there’s any kind of issue with third hand smoke I thought I’d mention it. Then another poster said diesel fumes were more dangerous and I linked to a small study that said that in certain circumstances it may be the other way around. Then I said that it’s all easy to debunk anyway, but since it’s a slightly vexed question I thought it was worth mentioning it, just in case some people aren’t aware that third hand smoke might be any kind of problem at all, when actually it might be a significant problem. Then the other poster said that in certain specific situations it’s probably not a problem, which is obviously obvious. And then you said that the specifics of this particular study aren’t really applicable. So now, once again, I’m saying that I posted it simply merely and only to remark that third hand smoke is very likely to be not entirely safe. I’m not saying anything about the car in the OP, I’m not saying that the studies prove or demonstrate anything specific to the question at hand . I’m only saying “hey, just in case people didn’t know, it looks like third hand smoke might be dangerous in some situations, and some studies suggest that it might be more dangerous than car fumes, but of course that’s going to be subject to billions of caveats, all of which you’re perfectly capable of imagining for yourself”. Which isn’t the same thing as saying third hand smoke us not, was never, and never will be dangerous.

Third hand smoke probably isn’t safe. There aren’t yet many studies, and studies that have been done may not be applicable to real world situations, but they might give us some information from which we can extrapolate to the real world. Not everyone knows about the hand smoke. This seemed like an opportunity to drop it into the conversation. I’m glad I know it’s a potential risk, some other people may also be glad to know that.



Boring justification for well meaning first post is now boring me.

No doubt someone else will now dismantle all this and turn it into kibble.

It’s like being stuck indoors on a rainy day with bored hungover people.

 

[Saul Goodman]

FFS, this place.

Research is scanty, findings are contentious, but since many people don’t even know there’s any kind of issue with third hand smoke I thought I’d mention it. Then another poster said diesel fumes were more dangerous and I linked to a small study that said that in certain circumstances it may be the other way around. Then I said that it’s all easy to debunk anyway, but since it’s a slightly vexed question I thought it was worth mentioning it, just in case some people aren’t aware that third hand smoke might be any kind of problem at all, when actually it might be a significant problem. Then the other poster said that in certain specific situations it’s probably not a problem, which is obviously obvious. And then you said that the specifics of this particular study aren’t really applicable. So now, once again, I’m saying that I posted it simply merely and only to remark that third hand smoke is very likely to be not entirely safe. I’m not saying anything about the car in the OP, I’m not saying that the studies prove or demonstrate anything specific to the question at hand . I’m only saying “hey, just in case people didn’t know, it looks like third hand smoke might be dangerous in some situations, and some studies suggest that it might be more dangerous than car fumes, but of course that’s going to be subject to billions of caveats, all of which you’re perfectly capable of imagining for yourself”. Which isn’t the same thing as saying third hand smoke us not, was never, and never will be dangerous.

Third hand smoke probably isn’t safe. There aren’t yet many studies, and studies that have been done may not be applicable to real world situations, but they might give us some information from which we can extrapolate to the real world. Not everyone knows about the hand smoke. This seemed like an opportunity to drop it into the conversation. I’m glad I know it’s a potential risk, some other people may also be glad to know that.



Boring justification for well meaning first post is now boring me.

No doubt someone else will now dismantle all this and turn it into kibble.

It’s like being stuck indoors on a rainy day with bored hungover people.

Leather seats are carcinogenic, too. Chromium (VI) used in the tanning process gets released in leather dust.
The plastics in cars can also cause cancer when heated.
What a conundrum.

 

[UnderOpenSky]

Leather seats are carcinogenic, too. Chromium (VI) used in the tanning process gets released in leather dust.
The plastics in cars can also cause cancer when heated.
What a conundrum.

Walking past them is probably worse...