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National Walkout Against Fees 24.11.10

Citizen66 said:
Absolutely. And in further news, Gateaux is a cake. But nobody refers to it as "the cake" and expect anyone to know what the fuck they mean.
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There are lot's of cakes, but not many Nazi Genocides. I would like to also point out that since the 18th century Holocaust has been used to refer to the violent deaths of a large number of people, it is not restricted to a specific event in history as you assume it is. Now can we please get back on topic.
 
fractionMan said:
Face it moon, you and your scumbag mates are in favour of this.
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I don't know many Lib Dems who are in favour of increased tuition fees. I think most are trying to do the best in a difficult situation in coalition with the Tories. I'm not however massively ideologically opposed to people paying for their own education if there was a progressive repayment system, however I take big issue with those who did have a free education shirking form their general taxation responsibilities towards HE.
 
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the lib dems (l) trying to do their best in coalition with the tories (r)
 
moon23 said:
I'm not however massively ideologically opposed to people paying for their own education if there was a progressive repayment system, however I take big issue with those who did have a free education shirking form their general taxation responsibilities towards HE.
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Right-wing libertarians everywhere: Constantly moaning about how much tax they have to pay and telling everyone else that they should expect to pay for their education, whilst having been those fortunate enough to benefit from a general taxation funded higher education system themselves with grants.
 
stephj said:
Right-wing libertarians everywhere: Constantly moaning about how much tax they have to pay and telling everyone else that they should expect to pay for their education, whilst having been those fortunate enough to benefit from a general taxation funded higher education system themselves with grants.
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They are happy for the state to fund police to protect private property too.
 
moon23 said:
There is mention that both parties will pay serious attention to the Browne review that was commissioned by Labour, that’s what the party has done in view of the current economic situation and the principles for consideration set out in the agreement. The latest is that the parliamentary party is still continuing to debate the proposals and whether to abstain or not. I suspect quite a few Lib Dem MPs will abstain. Quite possibly the protests are having the desired affect and making some politicians re-consider.
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Here's a novel idea, why don't you and your desperate for power bum chums grow a set of bollocks and vote against it you know? Like you said you would before the election? Not only are you lot lying to the electorate and breaking your promises you're treating us like a bunch of fucking idiots. You think that abstaining is the same as voting against and it's not, it will make the legislation easier to push through.

The truth is you're a bunch of spineless, lying, power hungry shit cunts who couldn't give a flying fuck about your voters now you're in power. Watching you patronising and desperately trying to wriggle out of it with shouts of "Wah, wah, look at what we've proposed, it's fairer" makes me feel embarrassed for you. We're not thick, we can see your patronising smug cunt of a leader and we can see that you're supporting the crippling of future generations with triple the amounts of debt. All this "Ooh but you won't pay it back until you earn 21k" doesn't fucking wash you pillock. Do you think a teacher, who earns either the same as or slightly more than that is thinking "Ooh aren't these lib dems wonderful" you're a fucking idiot if you do.

I, like many people between the ages of 18 and 30, voted for you clowns because of your tuition fees pledge, your opposition to VAT rises and commitment to scrap trident and you've lied, patronised and U turned on all 3. So fuck you, fuck your party and fuck your coalition. I will never be voting again and i'm really looking forward to you and your friends having their bollocks firmly nailed to the wall at the next election.
 
you can picture them doing the maths,how many can we afford to abstain without affecting the result?

people would have more respect if they just voted for it.
 
Doctor Carrot said:
All this "Ooh but you won't pay it back until you earn 21k" doesn't fucking wash you pillock.
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Of course it doesn't. Who in their right mind wants to be saddled with repaying a mortgage-sized loan for the 'privilege' of earning 21k? If they set the threshold at a million p.a with the option to squirrel away funds like the lib-Tories do then it may well be worth someone's consideration.
 
Doctor Carrot said:
Here's a novel idea, why don't you and your desperate for power bum chums grow a set of bollocks and vote against it you know? Like you said you would before the election? Not only are you lot lying to the electorate and breaking your promises you're treating us like a bunch of fucking idiots. You think that abstaining is the same as voting against and it's not, it will make the legislation easier to push through.

The truth is you're a bunch of spineless, lying, power hungry shit cunts who couldn't give a flying fuck about your voters now you're in power. Watching you patronising and desperately trying to wriggle out of it with shouts of "Wah, wah, look at what we've proposed, it's fairer" makes me feel embarrassed for you. We're not thick, we can see your patronising smug cunt of a leader and we can see that you're supporting the crippling of future generations with triple the amounts of debt. All this "Ooh but you won't pay it back until you earn 21k" doesn't fucking wash you pillock. Do you think a teacher, who earns either the same as or slightly more than that is thinking "Ooh aren't these lib dems wonderful" you're a fucking idiot if you do.

I, like many people between the ages of 18 and 30, voted for you clowns because of your tuition fees pledge, your opposition to VAT rises and commitment to scrap trident and you've lied, patronised and U turned on all 3. So fuck you, fuck your party and fuck your coalition. I will never be voting again and i'm really looking forward to you and your friends having their bollocks firmly nailed to the wall at the next election.
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Moon23. You should read that again and again and again. Because that is the truth.
 
Abstaining is a tacit vote for -and well you know it moon.

The student loan repayments scheme as proposed is far from fucking progressive. Repaying the loan at COMMERCIAL interest rates as opposed to the current interest system is a MASSIVE disincentive for anyone to go to uni.

If the libdems had ANY of that pious morality that clegg was emitting from every orifice before the election, they would vote AGAINST because if you lot think that this colossal betrayal (among the others committed) is going to be forgotten in 5 years time, you're wrong.
 
dylans said:
Moon23. You should read that again and again and again. Because that is the truth.
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I like to think that I have a pretty good grasp on politics, there are people on here far more knowledgeable than me and I learn a lot from them and have learnt a lot from reading and absorbing the works of people like Chomsky and Harvey this past year. In reality though it's not terribly difficult to really see what's going on, all one really has to do is have a look at who certain policies benefit, and they always benefit the elite who run the country and own the corporations.

Reading moon's post I can only conclude that he's being willfully ignorant. He has to be because his posts are so far off the mark I actually feel myself losing a couple of IQ points when I read them.

Come on, moon, really?
 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/nov/28/student-protests-tuition-fees-clegg

Nick Clegg getting a good kicking? Could anything be more joyous?
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What did he get for compromising so many of his party's principles? A referendum on a type of electoral reform that it never advocated. He should have held out for full PR or made the Tories govern as a minority. The political will was with him then. But he didn't sense it and he took the important-sounding job. He'll always be able to say he was once deputy prime minister. But the question he leaves unanswered is: "Why would anyone ever vote for the Liberal Democrats again?"
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If the Lib Dems cared half as much as they claimed, they'd welcome this movement. Instead, Nick Clegg wants the students to go home.
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I quite like some of that one :)

moon23 imo you will be one of those that knocks the doors rallying support and gain a few polite smiles then once the doors closed the people stare at each other in disbelief at what they have just witnessed it will put people off voting lib dem so I hope moon23 you put overtime in if you are going to canvas in forthcoming elections
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As there was no chance at all of labour getting in by us I switched my vote this time just hoping that it may stop a majority Tory government or at least if labour didnt win there would be a coalition that would consist of some lib dems that would stand up for what they said they believed , they have nothing left to offer all trust will be gone especially if they abstain on this one , the public are not so stupid to buy that

That and feeble excuses by "lib dems" like Moon23 have removed any chance of me or my household ever voting lib dem again and locally that feeling is widespread , I personally am deeply embarrassed to say I voted Lib Dem
 
moon23 said:
I don't know many Lib Dems who are in favour of increased tuition fees. I think most are trying to do the best in a difficult situation in coalition with the Tories. I'm not however massively ideologically opposed to people paying for their own education if there was a progressive repayment system, however I take big issue with those who did have a free education shirking form their general taxation responsibilities towards HE.
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So why don't the politicians vote they way the people who elected them want and expect?

(hint: because they're in favour of increased tuition fees)
 
Doctor Carrot said:
Here's a novel idea, why don't you and your desperate for power bum chums grow a set of bollocks and vote against it you know? Like you said you would before the election? Not only are you lot lying to the electorate and breaking your promises you're treating us like a bunch of fucking idiots. You think that abstaining is the same as voting against and it's not, it will make the legislation easier to push through.

The truth is you're a bunch of spineless, lying, power hungry shit cunts who couldn't give a flying fuck about your voters now you're in power. Watching you patronising and desperately trying to wriggle out of it with shouts of "Wah, wah, look at what we've proposed, it's fairer" makes me feel embarrassed for you. We're not thick, we can see your patronising smug cunt of a leader and we can see that you're supporting the crippling of future generations with triple the amounts of debt. All this "Ooh but you won't pay it back until you earn 21k" doesn't fucking wash you pillock. Do you think a teacher, who earns either the same as or slightly more than that is thinking "Ooh aren't these lib dems wonderful" you're a fucking idiot if you do.

I, like many people between the ages of 18 and 30, voted for you clowns because of your tuition fees pledge, your opposition to VAT rises and commitment to scrap trident and you've lied, patronised and U turned on all 3. So fuck you, fuck your party and fuck your coalition. I will never be voting again and i'm really looking forward to you and your friends having their bollocks firmly nailed to the wall at the next election.
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I'm now lobbying within the party for people to vote against the proposals having considered the strength of feeling.
 
moon23 said:
I'm now lobbying within the party for people to vote against the proposals having considered the strength of feeling.
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Having considered the strength of feeling? Not because it was in your manifesto, backed up by solemn pledges?

Pfft.
 
moon23 said:
There are lot's of cakes, but not many Nazi Genocides. I would like to also point out that since the 18th century Holocaust has been used to refer to the violent deaths of a large number of people, it is not restricted to a specific event in history as you assume it is. Now can we please get back on topic.
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You've got the exact reverse of mainstream debate on a subject, as usual.
The word "Holocaust" (with a capitalised "H") has been taken to be restricted to a specific event in history for the last 65 years, rightly or wrongly.
"Genocide" is a word of relatively-modern coinage, and was not applied to the Holocaust until recently (the last 25-30 years) even in academic circles.
 
moon23 said:
They are happy for the state to fund police to protect private property too.
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Police aren't funded by the state, but mainly through a levy on local authorities through the Council Tax, plus a smaller amount of grant from the Home Office.
 
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