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National Walkout Against Fees 24.11.10

Moon is really undermining the libdems with all this disingenuous shite.

To be fair I think they're making a decent enough job of it without his help. It does, however, beautifully illustrate the degree of contempt they have for the electorate.
 
What utter, utter shit. If a party holds the balance of power in Parliament it can fucking dictate policy!

If you have no respect for the democratic wishes of the majority electorate you can attempt to wield power. You can’t actually help develop legislation if you are not in government, you can only vote on it.
 
If you have no respect for the democratic wishes of the majority electorate you can attempt to wield power. You can’t actually help develop legislation if you are not in government, you can only vote on it.

Yet doing the exact opposite of what people voted you in to do is respecting peoples' democratic wishes? You're all over the place. As you are so fond of reminding people, we don't vote for the government; we vote for individual representatives. The Lib Dem MPs are supposed to represent the wishes of the people who voted for them. They made promises, every one of them. People are neither stupid nor unreasonable; they realise you can't get everything through. But when they see you abstaining, or even voting yes, on a vote you promised to oppose, they feel cheated. And they are right.

I don't know why you continue trying to peddle this shite to be honest - hasn't it sunk in yet that nobody is stupid enough to buy it? Even you can't actually believe this, can you?
 
I don't know why you continue trying to peddle this shite to be honest - hasn't it sunk in yet that nobody is stupid enough to buy it? Even you can't actually believe this, can you?

You are beginning to sound desperate in your attempt to persuade.
 
It's more that it wouldn't have allowed the Lib Dems to infulence policy.

It would have given you more influence, you clown. In a minority government the Tories wouldn't be able to pass anything unless they could secure support from enough other parties. They wouldn't be able to do any of this shit without you fuckers giving them cover. You've done a U-turn on the sole manifesto policy that was considered important enough to back up with a pledge. There is no possible way to argue that you're influencing policy for the better when you're demonstrably refusing to use the power that you do have.
 
If you have no respect for the democratic wishes of the majority electorate you can attempt to wield power. You can’t actually help develop legislation if you are not in government, you can only vote on it.

You very obviously don't grasp that most legislation, and the policy(s) behind it originate outside of government. That's why "think-tanks", "lobbyists" and even "social movements" exist, you berk.
 
Now you just think you're being clever.

Christ, you're a tedious cunt. Not even faintly diverting in the way that idly rolling a bit of fluff into a ball can be.

And don't bother trying to think up a (what you imagine to be) witty response, I'm about to put you on ignore just to deny you that single pleasure.
 
A letter was printed in the Northern Echo letters page on Saturday, and its online here;

http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/features/letters/8706792.Student_protests/

The right wing comments are funny/rubbish, but there is a reply to the letter in the Northern Echo letters page today if you want to see it. Its not online yet but its from the UKIP Dave Brothers (a right wing fool)...

IMMORAL POLICING;

"The policing of the student demonstration in London yesterday (24.11.10) was nothing short of corrupt. The police play the 'innocent' game frequently, but in this case it is totally blatant as anybody with an authentically independent mind saw.

The placing of an empty police minibus (in Whitehall) in the path of a known militant march of student demonstrators is a 'red rag to a bull'. It is nothing short of entrapment and because of the huge policing resources and plans the police made to kettle demonstrators, is part of a deliberate 'newsmaking' for the right wing dominated media.

It is also intimidating for protestors to be pushed around and contained, and as such is an attack on the right to demonstrate. If there are any police still interested in real policing, I hope they will disassociate themselves from the operational plans and decision making of the Metropolitan police for that protest march."
 
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A letter was printed in the Northern Echo letters page on Saturday, and its online here;

http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/features/letters/8706792.Student_protests/

The right wing comments are funny/rubbish, but there is a reply to the letter in the Northern Echo letters page today if you want to see it. Its not online yet but its from the UKIP Dave Brothers (a right wing fool)...

IMMORAL POLICING;

"The policing of the student demonstration in London yesterday (24.11.10) was nothing short of corrupt. The police play the 'innocent' game frequently, but in this case it is totally blatant as anybody with an authentically independent mind saw.

The placing of an empty police minibus (in Whitehall) in the path of a known militant march of student demonstrators is a 'red rag to a bull'. It is nothing short of entrapment and because of the huge policing resources and plans the police made to kettle demonstrators, is part of a deliberate 'newsmaking' for the right wing dominated media.

It is also intimidating for protestors to be pushed around and contained, and as such is an attack on the right to demonstrate. If there are any police still interested in real policing, I hope they will disassociate themselves from the operational plans and decision making of the Metropolitan police for that protest march."

Quite a few UKIP members are prone to conspiracy theories, I think it comes from worrying about the EUSSR. Out of interest UKIP are planning to target students with anti-fee leaflets.
Never underestimate opportunism.
 
Quite a few UKIP members are prone to conspiracy theories, I think it comes from worrying about the EUSSR. Out of interest UKIP are planning to target students with anti-fee leaflets.
Never underestimate opportunism.

What the deuce are you on about now?
 
You very obviously don't grasp that most legislation, and the policy(s) behind it originate outside of government. That's why "think-tanks", "lobbyists" and even "social movements" exist, you berk.

No all legislation is developed within Whitehall by civil servants, policy is set within government. In the coalition a lot of policy was laid our in the agreement, something that wouldn't have occured in a minority Tory administration. There are countless policies that are created outside of govenrment as you say, but not many are ever implemented.
 
Saw this on the gruniad live blog, nice bit of discouraging from the police

"I've just arrived into Charing Cross with a number of students. We were approached by police officers who asked if we were attending the protest. They then warned that the protest might go on longer than expected. Even if we wanted to leave, we might not be able to. I asked them if this meant there was going to be a kettle and they replied that "they knew what that meant, they couldn't be explicit, but this was one of the tactics that the police had in consideration for the day.
They then wished us good luck."

(cant work out how to put a quote box in on my new tapatalk gizmo)
 
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