Mumbai: coordinated terrorist attacks, westerners targetted

[hipipol]

Al Jazeeras coverage has been good
I know those streets in Colaba well - it seems the gunmen first sprayed Leopolds then had a wander round to the Taj - they seem to also have taken out the nearby petrol station near the Regal cinema - not exactly packed with tourists that street - at Leopolds they managed to shoot a local Reuters guy in the arm and chest
Mid Day - Mumbai English language daily
Al Jazeera - good coverage inlcuding a map

Seems they also attacked a charitable hospital for women and babies - suspect thats not going to do them any favours

Asian Age a Hydrabadi newspaper ie from the Deccan, which seems woefully short of info

In all complete madness

 

[DotCommunist]

That's why you cant dislocate the Pakistani "government" (lol) and its military establishment.

Pakistan and its formation is predicated on Islamic principles, therefore by it's very nature it's "Islamist"

but equally, islamist is a wide label. caliphate desiring islamists? left-islamists? shia or sunni?

factional stuff gets murky and complicated once you look past some catch all label

 

[Belushi]

That's why you cant dislocate the Pakistani "government" (lol) and its military establishment.

Well they're not identical, despite the major role the military play in Government. Indeed some civilain leaders have had major conflicts with Rawalpindi, Zulfikar Bhutto for example.

And the nature of Pakistan and its formation is predicated on Islamic principles, therefore by it's very nature it's "Islamist

No, you understand the difference between 'Islamic' and 'Islamist'?

 

[hipipol]

That's why you cant dislocate the Pakistani "government" (lol) and its military establishment.

Pakistan and its formation is predicated on Islamic principles, therefore by it's very nature it's "Islamist"

Which part of your arse is doint the thinking here?
Pakistan was founded based on the notion that Muslims would not be properly represented in an India where they would be a minority
Seems thay were right as things go

 

[Belushi]

at Leopolds they managed to shoot a local Reuters guy in the arm and chest

Do you know how many were killed at Leopolds? you know how busy i9t gets - I would have thought it would be like shooting fish in a barrel.

 

[iROBOT]

Which part of your arse is doint the thinking here?
Pakistan was founded based on the notion that Muslims would not be properly represented in an India where they would be a minority
Seems thay were right as things go

And what about the non Muslims in Pakistan and Bangladesh...What happened to them?

 

[hipipol]

No detail ref Leopolds as yet
Pics of the surrounding area on Al J

They also managed to kill the chief ticket inspector at CST (VT) railway station

Mid-day say the inflatable found near the Oberoi has a sat phone in it
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ have video reports covering the boat plus interview with witness (though it seems to be in Marati)

 

[hipipol]

And what about the non Muslims in Pakistan and Bangladesh...What happened to them?

Pretty much the same as happens to the Muslims in India
I suspect you need to look at what happened in Gujerat just a few years back to get the flavour

 

[iROBOT]

Pretty much the same as happens to the Muslims in India
I suspect you need to look at what happened in Gujerat just a few years back to get the flavour

You havent told me whats happened.

Go on then.

 

[iROBOT]

Ok i'll tell you one instance (there's more)

This is in regards to the 2 million Hindus killed by the Pakistani regime.

Violence against minorities

The minorities of Bangladesh, especially the Hindus, were specific targets of the Pakistan army.[9] There was widespread killing of Hindu males, and rapes of women. More than 60% of the Bengali refugees that had fled to India were Hindus.[41] It is not exactly known what percentage of the people killed by the Pakistan army were Hindus, but it is safe to say it was disproportionately high.[42] This widespread violence against Hindus was motivated by a policy to purge East Pakistan of what was seen as Hindu and Indian influences. The West Pakistani rulers identified the Bengali culture with Hindu and Indian culture, and thought that the eradication of Hindus would remove such influences from the majority Muslims in East Pakistan.[43]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Bangladesh_atrocities

 

[Bob_the_lost]

this post from another forum,brings up a good point

Let us evaluate logically. You take 100s of people of hostage, issue no demands and basically sit tight for over 20 hours. Question: What are you waiting for?

MFI delivery?

 

[Belushi]

Ok i'll tell you one instance (there's more)

This is in regards to the 2 million Hindus killed by the Pakistani regime.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Bangladesh_atrocities

Hamg on, the Pakistani slaughtered Bengali Muslims just as they slaughtered Bengali Hindus during the Bangladeshi war of independence. The major factor was that they were Bengali.

 

[William of Walworth]

What's your agenda here exactly, iROBOT?

 

[xes]

this can'#t be good.
http://www.zeenews.com/nation/2008-11-28/486807news.html

Pakistan breaking the ceasefire

I can see the next few weeks/months being very harrowing indeed.

 

[Teaboy]

this can'#t be good.
http://www.zeenews.com/nation/2008-11-28/486807news.html

Pakistan breaking the ceasefire

I can see the next few weeks/months being very harrowing indeed.

Hmmm, that story is pretty unexceptional it only becomes relevant in the context of what is happening in Mumbai. I don't think the two are related in any way.

 

[xes]

"it only becomes relevant in the context of what is happening in Mumbai."

yeah,that was kind of my point. It's more fuel on the fire.

Indian Primeminister just said
India would not tolerate "neighbours" who provide a haven to militants targeting it.

 

[Teaboy]

Indian Primeminister just said
India would not tolerate "neighbours" who provide a haven to militants targeting it.

Yes, who could he possibly mean by 'neighbours'?

 

[derf]

MFI delivery?

No way. These fuckers would never manage to build a flat pack table. No guns, wires or explosives.
Cunts like these only know how to destroy.

Serious note. Al jazeera has been red hot on reporting this one.
10 out of 10 and a gold star for fantastic coverage to them.

 

[8ball]

Yes, who could he possibly mean by 'neighbours'?

Ah - an oblique reference to Australia . . .

 

[kerb]

Somebody was certainly organised enough to make this go down.

Plus they have gone for high ranking figures.

Amongst others

Anti-terror chief killed

At least three senior Indian police officers, including Hemant Karkare, the chief of the city's anti-terrorism squad, were among those killed, police official A N Roy said.

 

[DotCommunist]

No way. These fuckers would never manage to build a flat pack table. No guns, wires or explosives.
Cunts like these only know how to destroy.

Serious note. Al jazeera has been red hot on reporting this one.
10 out of 10 and a gold star for fantastic coverage to them.

well, it is kinda their beat, you'd expect good coverage wouldn't you.

on a side note, one of thier journalists is still rotting in Guantanamo being force fed with a tube up the nose, for the crime of sharing the name of an alq member.

American Justice

 

[hipipol]

Hmmm, that story is pretty unexceptional it only becomes relevant in the context of what is happening in Mumbai. I don't think the two are related in any way.

I'm not sure you are right
I suspect that some local hothead commander with Jihadi leanings decided to join in - not sure how far Mr 10%'s writ runs, suspect the power of the state in Pakistan pretty unravelled, the main danger is that independant nutter action will be deemed Govt action and all hell break loose

Just saw the Taj Hotel is still on fire
Makes me weep
Have many friends in Mumbai....

 

[iROBOT]

Hamg on, the Pakistani slaughtered Bengali Muslims just as they slaughtered Bengali Hindus during the Bangladeshi war of independence. The major factor was that they were Bengali.

Wrong.

Senator Edward Kennedy wrote in a report that was part of Senate Committee testimony dated November 1, 1971, "Hardest hit have been members of the Hindu community who have been robbed of their lands and shops, systematically slaughtered, and in some places, painted with yellow patches marked "H". All of this has been officially sanctioned, ordered and implemented under martial law from Islamabad". In the same report, Senator Kennedy reported that 80% of the refugees in India were Hindus and according to numerous international relief agencies such as UNESCO and WHO the number of East Pakistani refugees at their peak in India was close to 10 million. Given that the Hindu population in East Pakistan was around 11 million in 1971, this suggests that up to 8 million, or more than 70% of the Hindu population had fled the country

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_in_Bangladesh

What does painting ID marks on a minority community remind you of...???

 

[Belushi]

Wrong.

How? are you really denying that over a million Bengali Muslims were slaughtered by the Pakistani Army?

Go back and read my posts again, and think about what I'm actually saying and not what you want me to say (hint: I nowhere disagree with you that the Pakistani Army targetted Bengali Hindus).

 

[iROBOT]

How? are you really denying that over a million Bengali Muslims were slaughtered by the Pakistani Army?

Go back and read my posts again, and think about what I'm actually saying and not what you want me to say (hint: I nowhere disagree with you that the Pakistani Army targetted Bengali Hindus).

My point is made.

(I'm sure we're not in any major disagreement, but need to point out the progom against the Hindus by the Pakistani Gov in 1972, for those who think that it's only the evil Hindus putting down the Muslims in south Asia)

 

[Zachor]

Wrong.





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_in_Bangladesh

What does painting ID marks on a minority community remind you of...???

Yup. Bad precedents there.

 

[elevendayempire]

Plus they have gone for high ranking figures.

Amongst others

I thought the ranking anti-terrorism officers were killed when responding to the terrorist attack. As in, they went to the scene with their police squads and were taken out in the ensuing gun battle.

 

[Belushi]

My point is made.

(I'm sure we're not in any major disagreement, but need to point out the progom against the Hindus by the Pakistani Gov in 1972, for those who think that it's only the evil Hindus putting down the Muslims in south Asia)

A point i had already made?

And its important to understand that the pogrom against Hindus was par of a much larger pogrom against Bengalis, lets not forget that Muslims made up the majority of victims.

And I dont think anyone on this threadthinks its only 'evil Hindus putting down the Muslims in south Asia'.

 

[iROBOT]

A point i had already made?

And its important to understand that the pogrom against Hindus was par of a much larger pogrom against Bengalis, lets not forget that Muslims made up the majority of victims.

And I dont think anyone on this threadthinks its only 'evil Hindus putting down the Muslims in south Asia'.

Yes because they are the majorty. But the Hindu population of Ban'desh went from 28 percent of the population to 10 percent, in no way did the Muslim population suffer as much.

No one denys that many liberal Muslims died, but to use that to brush aside the genocide/ethnic cleansing of the Pakistan regime against the Hindus is blinding ourselves as to what this cunting country is capable of doing now (and will again if not checked).

 

[likesfish]

Pakistan "intelligence" wouldn't be above getting invovled in this if there is any proof all hell could break lose
you've just started a proxy war with your much larger nuclear armed neighbor
not exactly the smartest move