Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"

[laptop]

It all seems a bit British and people not trying to offend each other.

"Well, I don't believe what you've said but you are a gentleman/lady and so I must not question what you've said"

In the legal process, at the end of the quoted sentence there appears implicitly a very definite "yet".

 

[London_Calling]

'DC' will no doubt be asking Leveson what 'BSkyB' means.

I though the timing was good, the tag team getting to the nub in the period before lunch break. Got past her guard a little then.

Need more on asserted influence over Gov appointments and policy.

 

[agricola]

Need more on asserted influence over Gov appointments and policy.

Hopefully he will spend ages on that. I forget whether this was in Flat Earth News or one of the Oborne books, but during the Sarah's Law campaign the NOTW and Labour collaborated very closely indeed, with the NOTW being advised in advance of what the Government was doing.

 

[London_Calling]

Well, we've had most of the set up, Team Leveson now has upwards of 2 1/2 hours to extract what they can ...

Fwiw, I thought she looked tired at the start - lack of sleep, I thought.

 

[killer b]

at the risk of the thread being overly heavy on 'stuff tom watson tweeted about', what's the thoughts on this? much wiggle room for dave or not?

http://sturdyblog.wordpress.com/2012/05/10/gotcha/

 

[laptop]

at the risk of the thread being overly heavy on 'stuff tom watson tweeted about', what's the thoughts on this? much wiggle room for dave or not?

http://sturdyblog.wordpress.com/2012/05/10/gotcha/

Well spotted that blogger.

“The second post-election meeting with Rupert Murdoch was in New York on the day Mayor Bloomberg organised a party in honour of the Prime Minister. Before the party Rupert Murdoch met David Cameron for around half an hour. He and I met briefly when he arrived, but I did not sit in on the meeting.“

I'm sure there's a perfectly innocent explanation for Cameron's failure to report this meeting

 

[killer b]

how many times are they going to have to revise that list of meetings?

 

[laptop]

how many times are they going to have to revise that list of meetings?

I believe the answer is that they'll asymptotically approach the true number.

In English: "forever".

 

[killer b]

presumably the govt will have seen the witness statement beforehand. bit sloppy of them not to rush out another revision before coulson appeared... or perhaps they missed it too?

 

[Wilf]

Ever so slightly off topic, the performance of Coulsen and Wade in these sessions don't give me much confidence the police investigation will have got much on them/out of them. Can't see any actual prosecutions going beyond heads of particular news teams or journalists who hired private investigators. Unless... there is any documentary evidence of them knowingly authorising payments - or some smoking gun document where they have discussed hacking as a strategy. The latter is extremely unlikely, whereas the former is just possible. Another 'follow the money' thing. 'You must have known' won't cut it for criminal prosecution.

 

[laptop]

presumably the govt will have seen the witness statement beforehand.

Did the ministers get Core Participant status? When?

If they haven't, or didn't before Coulson appeared, they shouldn't have seen it...

 

[killer b]

Did the ministers get Core Participant status? When?

i thought leveson had agreed to it last week?

 

[laptop]

So he did - and Tuesday's application opposing this was a last-ditch protest...

In fact the Telegraph headlined:
David Cameron granted right to see Andy Coulson's evidence in advance

Right. Work.

 

[gabi]

the story about gordon brown's kid having cystic fybrosis is enough for a good punch imo

 

[gabi]

surely he's veering very close to the question of hacking here? thought that was out of bounds.

 

[gabi]

cunt. how in god's name is that story in the public interest..? leaving aside the issue of how she got it?

1450:
Mrs Brooks confirms that a story about Gordon Brown's son Fraser having cystic fibrosis came from the father of another child with the condition. Asked how that man got the information, Mrs Brooks says the Sun had been "absolutely satisfied" it was obtained by legitimate means.

 

[agricola]

cunt. how in god's name is that story in the public interest..? leaving aside the issue of how she got it?

She is claiming the Browns gave permission for them to run the story - which you would think has to be written down somewhere.

ps: Jay really kicking off now

 

[Gingerman]

Cameron LOL

 

[agricola]

Anyone know when Brown will be making an appearance at this (if he hasnt already)?

 

[gabi]

not sure. leveson seems to be able to choose who he calls a week or so in advance though based on what hes heard. ali campbell next week i think..?

 

[two sheds]

She is claiming the Browns gave permission for them to run the story - which you would think has to be written down somewhere.

I remember reading about that - as I remember they phoned him up saying they were printing the story and he didn't really seem to have a lot of choice.

 

[little_legs]

I remember reading about that - as I remember they phoned him up saying they were printing the story and he didn't really seem to have a lot of choice.

The Sun doesn't 'threaten' people, it 'persuades' them

 

[killer b]

I remember reading about that - as I remember they phoned him up saying they were printing the story and he didn't really seem to have a lot of choice.

brown said this in parliament last year iirc. don't think it had been claimed anywhere before that.

 

[two sheds]

Isn't this revealing about Cameron et al's priorities:

• News Corp lobbyist claimed Jeremy Hunt asked him for advice on hacking
  
  Live • Email to Rebekah Brooks from Frédéric Michel claimed culture secretary wanted advice 'to guide his and No 10's positioning'

Not interested in legality or ethical conduct then, just how it looks to the outer world.

 

[1%er]

Did the ministers get Core Participant status? When?

If they haven't, or didn't before Coulson appeared, they shouldn't have seen it...

I watch the ruling a couple of days ago (you can see it here). I'm sure Leveson made it clear that he had all but one statement from ministers in his position and the one he didn't have was expected that day, so the ministers would not have see the statements as "core participants" prior to them submitting their own statements.

That does not mean they didn't see the statements by some other means prior to making their own.

 

[London_Calling]

Didn't get far at all on the breach of confidentiality issue - other than to confirm Brown as an opportunist cunt.

Leveson keen on the ethics of the use of "smear" though.

Not sure why "shattered dad" did that in the first place ...

 

[gosub]

The Sun doesn't 'threaten' people, it 'persuades' them

What, dan like the dominatrix in the max moseley story - help us or we'll run a cop's wife works in vice den story

 

[Teaboy]

I thought the the story about Brown's child came from a source inside the hospital, thats what I understood anyway.

 

[gabi]

christ... her hair has been steadily gettin more and more out of control thru the day.. would love to see a before and after shot

 

[London_Calling]

I thought the the story about Brown's child came from a source inside the hospital, thats what I understood anyway.

Presumably from Gordon Brown's statement in Parliament ...