Misogynist barbarians in Alabama impose forced pregnancy law

[Yuwipi Woman]

Next they will be abolishing votes for women, the cunts.

I've heard such ideas expressed. They always frame it as a joke, but its really not. They would if the could. If you dig deep, that's where a lot of Republicans think things went wrong for the US. We're very close to the 100th anniversary of women's suffrage in the US. Where I work, I see upcoming papers to be presented in academia in the next year or so, as they pass over my desk. I see nothing about that very important anniversary. Nothing.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

A Supreme Court with 10,000 judges! 100,000 judges. A people's court. Bring it on.

Only if we can bring back the guillotine with it. Liberty, Equality, and Fraternity, baby.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Only if we can bring back the guillotine with it. Liberty, Equality, and Fraternity, baby.

Seriously though, France is on to its Fifth Republic now. The US is still stuck in its first. That's a big part of the problem here.

"What would Robespierre have done?" is not a question the French ask.

 

[Idris2002]

Seriously though, France is on to its Fifth Republic now. The US is still stuck in its first. That's a big part of the problem here.

"What would Robespierre have done?" is not a question the French ask.

The first American republic is clearly dying. That's not a problem. The problem is what will replace it.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

The first American republic is clearly dying. That's not a problem. The problem is what will replace it.

That is the question. I don't see it being anything good at the moment. I've come to the conclusion that its going to get bloody before its over.

<edited to add>
Let's hope just hope they aren't going to replace the First Republic with the Fourth Reich.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

The first American republic is clearly dying. That's not a problem. The problem is what will replace it.

Sure. Problem being that it should have been replaced, oh, 150 years ago. Harder to do now - the thing has become deified, with the Constitution as the sacred text and the Founding Fathers as its prophets.

 

[CRI]

I mentioned it on the other thread, but it's worth noting that this legislation goes FAR further than the laws in place pre Roe v Wade. Then, there were some doctors and lay people who were prosecuted for conducting terminations, but patients weren't punished. The Alabama law would make assisting someone to procure an abortion, as well as having one, a felony crime.

Worth remembering, too, that Alabama is still one of the states where convicted felons are deprived of the right to vote, so there's more going on here than just banning abortion. It won't be the well off white folks who are convicted, if you know what I mean.

It's not been signed into law or implemented yet though, so not quite a done deal, but don't hold your breath.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

It's not been signed into law or implemented yet though, so not quite a done deal, but don't hold your breath.

I think they have enough votes to override a veto. Then, its a court matter.

 

[CRI]

I've heard such ideas expressed. They always frame it as a joke, but its really not. They would if the could. If you dig deep, that's where a lot of Republicans think things went wrong for the US. We're very close to the 100th anniversary of women's suffrage in the US. Where I work, I see upcoming papers to be presented in academia in the next year or so, as they pass over my desk. I see nothing about that very important anniversary. Nothing.

I posted this on the Stupid Trump thread the other day, but actually it is a significant not just with regard for Roe v Wade as it means the SCOTUS is unlikely to shrink from overturning legal precedent for political purposes, on Roe v Wade, but potentially a whole raft of decisions from recent decades. Suspect they'll flip decisions on same sex marriage, workplace discrimination and a whole raft of civil rights decisions.

ACLU already poised to challenge this shit in the courts, but at times, it looks a lot like a tidal wave against a picnic umbrella.




Link to tweet and thread here.

 

[CRI]

I think they have enough votes to override a veto. Then, its a court matter.

Oh yes, sadly yes. What I meant is that it's not implemented yet, so if you need an abortion now, they can't lock you up!

 

[SpookyFrank]

I can't find it now, but I read a brilliant piece deconstructing the decisions of the SC over the decades. It showed how not only could you predict the judgements just from who appointed the judge, but also the nature of the arguments used, which would flip-flop to suit the case: originalist when it suited, 'modern' when it suited. Their job is simply to produce a legal justification of the political position they were appointed to defend, and those justifications are wildly inconsistent with one another when lined up in a row. When you dig into their judgements, that becomes so apparent they should be embarrassed by it really.

Also 'until death' is not a sensible term of office for anything.

 

[8ball]

Sure. Problem being that it should have been replaced, oh, 150 years ago. Harder to do now - the thing has become deified, with the Constitution as the sacred text and the Founding Fathers as its prophets.

I'm not sure how republics work. Are you meant to knock it down and build a new one every so often?

 

[8ball]

Also 'until death' is not a sensible term of office for anything.

Kamikaze pilot?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I'm not sure how republics work. Are you meant to knock it down and build a new one every so often?

When your first one was built to prop up a chattel-slave-owning state, knocking it down seems a sensible idea.

There are people, serious, well-regarded people, such as judges in the Supreme Court, who, in order to guide their decisions, seriously sit down and attempt an exegesis of the Constitution that tries to work out what these slave-owners thought. My reference to the French asking what Robespierre would have done may have sounded exaggerated, but it's really not.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I'm not sure how republics work. Are you meant to knock it down and build a new one every so often?

If you forgive me for quoting a founding father, who clearly thought so:

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure,”

--Thomas Jefferson.

History does seem to be cyclical. Humans never learn.

 

[8ball]

When your first one was built to prop up a chattel-slave-owning state, knocking it down seems a sensible idea.

There are people, serious, well-regarded people, such as judges in the Supreme Court, who, in order to guide their decisions, seriously sit down and attempt an exegesis of the Constitution that tries to work out what these slave-owners thought. My reference to the French asking what Robespierre would have done may have sounded exaggerated, but it's really not.

Then just change the way you do things.
Though it is pretty badly ossified - maybe a chisel and some Coca Cola on the calcium wouldn't go amiss.

 

[8ball]

If you forgive me for quoting a founding father, who clearly thought so:

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure,”

--Thomas Jefferson.

History does seem to be cyclical. Humans never learn.

That quote does not seem to necessarily relate to what you are talking about here.

(History doesn't repeat itself verbatim, though it does tend to rhyme.)

 

[CRI]

When your first one was built to prop up a chattel-slave-owning state, knocking it down seems a sensible idea.

There are people, serious, well-regarded people, such as judges in the Supreme Court, who, in order to guide their decisions, seriously sit down and attempt an exegesis of the Constitution that tries to work out what these slave-owners thought. My reference to the French asking what Robespierre would have done may have sounded exaggerated, but it's really not.

Yup. Originalism

Brett Kavanaugh best described as ‘originalist,’ say legal scholars
Brett Kavanaugh Is an Originalist | New York Law Journal

Unfortunately, the questioning of Judge Kavanaugh became a “gotcha” partisan sideshow. The only thing we did learn about Judge Kavanaugh’s jurisprudence is something we already knew: that he is an “originalist” in the mold of Justice Antonin Scalia. This tells us that he will follow precedence if it suits his purpose, but that if he disagrees with the outcome he will ignore precedence and apply his brand of “originalism.”

Neil Gorsuch, Trump's originalist, finds his place - CNNPolitics

"We are appointing judges who will interpret the Constitution as written," the President said. It was all that judicial conservatives - who seek to fill the benches with judges in the mold of the late Justice Antonin Scalia -- could hope for. Like Scalia, Gorsuch believes the Constitution should be interpreted based on its original public meaning. In legalese, it's called originalism, or textualism.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

That quote does not seem to necessarily relate to what you are talking about here.

His other quote about revolutions is "every generation needs a revolution."

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Yup. Originalism

Brett Kavanaugh best described as ‘originalist,’ say legal scholars
Brett Kavanaugh Is an Originalist | New York Law Journal


Neil Gorsuch, Trump's originalist, finds his place - CNNPolitics

I can't think modeling yourself on Antonin Scalia is a good way to go. He died in the very act of accepting a bribe.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Yup. Originalism

Brett Kavanaugh best described as ‘originalist,’ say legal scholars
Brett Kavanaugh Is an Originalist | New York Law Journal


Neil Gorsuch, Trump's originalist, finds his place - CNNPolitics

It's really quite mad, but all too true. I refer to it as exegesis to link to to Bible Study, with which it has many points of similarity.

 

[CRI]

Just a wee reminder, that there are draconian abortion laws in the UK as well, in Northern Ireland. In Gibralter, abortion carries a life sentence.

 

[existentialist]

I honestly don't know how he gets away with the shit he does. Sadly it's not just misogynist men who support him, but a lot of women too. I can't get my head around it.

Because this is no longer dystopian future vision:

 

[8ball]

His other quote about revolutions is "every generation needs a revolution."

 

[Jeff Robinson]

I can't find it now, but I read a brilliant piece deconstructing the decisions of the SC over the decades. It showed how not only could you predict the judgements just from who appointed the judge, but also the nature of the arguments used, which would flip-flop to suit the case: originalist when it suited, 'modern' when it suited. Their job is simply to produce a legal justification of the political position they were appointed to defend, and those justifications are wildly inconsistent with one another when lined up in a row. When you dig into their judgements, that becomes so apparent they should be embarrassed by it really.

I think this may be the piece you are referring to:

How The Supreme Court Pretends To Be Reasonable… | Current Affairs

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I think this may be the piece you are referring to:

How The Supreme Court Pretends To Be Reasonable… | Current Affairs

Yep that's it. Ta! Did you post it before? I may have read it from here - don't remember.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I think this may be the piece you are referring to:

How The Supreme Court Pretends To Be Reasonable… | Current Affairs

There's a book that describes this too:

https://www.amazon.com/Injustices-Comforting-Comfortable-Afflicting-Afflicted/dp/1568585691

 

[CRI]

May soon be time to resurrect the Jane Collective, or similar. I'm not sure with today's levels of everyday surveillance though, whether it would even be possible.

Before 'Roe v. Wade,' The Women of 'Jane' Provided Abortions For The Women Of Chicago

 

[likesfish]

Seriously though, France is on to its Fifth Republic now. The US is still stuck in its first. That's a big part of the problem here.

If you forgive me for quoting a founding father, who clearly thought so:

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure,”

--Thomas Jefferson.
's.

Although the current one seems to preferred unarmed kids and blacks.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Although the current one seems to preferred unarmed kids and blacks.

Sadly so.