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Meeting on Secondary school in Brixton

Minnie_the_Minx said:
Brixton Hatter - have you absolutely NO consideration for us Brixton Hill residents. As if we want a load of scallies on our doorstep :rolleyes: :oops: :D

well, luckily for me, the school near me (used to be on Athlone Road) was closed several years ago and sold off to a property developer. Thank god for that!! Now my street is nice and quiet with no scally kids around causing trouble! ;) :D
 
Brixton Hatter said:
well, luckily for me, the school near me (used to be on Athlone Road) was closed several years ago and sold off to a property developer. Thank god for that!! Now my street is nice and quiet with no scally kids around causing trouble! ;) :D


Ooh, I know someone on Athlone :D

Well lucky for you, but if they put the school by the petrol station on Brixton Hill then that'll be your late-night Rizlas and munchies out the window :p :D
 
Brixton Hatter said:
Still, should we be building a city academy anyway, with it's selective policies and private investment? What's wrong with a comprehensive?

At the moment the only way Brixton will get a new secondary school built is if it's a City Academy - the government likes them more than 'bog standard comprehensives' at the moment.

Perhaps it has something to do with all the private money they attract?!
 
Brixton Hatter said:
Glad to hear it.

What does the private company get in return for it's £2m?

A warm glow. Sponsors are usually philanthropist businessmen/women rather than specific companies.

The DfES has an FAQ page on City Academies that also partly answers your question:
Why involve sponsors in running schools?
The involvement of sponsors in running Academies maximises the benefits that can be derived from a partnership with business and other non-government partners. The different perspective that sponsors can bring to both the basic curriculum and curriculum extension and enrichment activities is key to the change in culture and attitude required to break the cycle of underachievement. Sponsors can give extra focus and sharpness to the management of Academies. Academies have governors responsible for running the school in the interests of the pupils and community. Sponsors do not make a profit and the schools do not charge fees.​
http://www.standards.dfes.gov.uk/academies/faq/?version=1#582271
 
The Somerleyton Rd site could be cleared (sorry Mrs M), but it's too small.

My idea is raze Somerleyton and the Voice/Dolehouse sites and link the two with an enclosed Bridge. The two sides of the road could have exciting new buildings on and an architecturally remarkable link bridge.

Don't worry about traffic or routes for kids to walk there. All that can be fixed with some design imagination and ambition.

The Shakespeare Rd site could be very good with entry on Loughborough Park (it's other boundary).
 
By the way, I see no reason why Carlton Mansions should go. Build the school round it, it takes only a small corner of the site. Bring on some IMAGINATION IN ARCHITECTURE FOR BRIXTON. But everything else would have to go (sorry again Mrs M, but the school is more important).

What is Cllr Botrall's email address please?
 
hatboy said:
...raze Somerleyton and the Voice/Dolehouse sites and link the two with an enclosed Bridge. The two sides of the road could have exciting new buildings on and an architecturally remarkable link bridge.

What a great idea!
I've been reading this thread for some days now thinking about what utter bollox all that stuff about poor transport links and dangerous roads is.

Surely the idea would be, as a community school, kids would walk to school (like Charter in Dulwich), so it wouldn't matter about buses, and I'd much rather my kid cross Coldharbour lane (with the aid of a few strategically placed crossings) than the A23, which my eldest currently has to do.

I love the idea of cutting edge architecture solving problems.
I think we need the school this neck of the woods, rather than up Brixton hill personally.
 
I want to push this idea. Will people paste here the emails of Lambeth councillors I should contact PLEASE... and other persons of influence involved.

AK?

Lang?

Who do I chase? :)
 
Hatboy, I really like your ideas. I remember you commenting some time ago about why shouldn't Brixton have cutting edge architecture just like Peckham and the south bank have?

the local councillors for Herne Hill ward (Shakespeare Rd site) are:

jdickson@lambeth.gov.uk Jim Dickson
kmchugh@lambeth.gov.uk Kirsty McHugh
po'connell@lambeth.gov.uk Peter O Connell (all labour)

abottrall@lambeth.gov.uk Antony Bottrall (Lib Dem) is exec member for education

Not sure what ward Somerleyton Road is in - I think it may even be Herne Hill too....
 
Brixton Hatter said:
Hatboy, I really like your ideas. I remember you commenting some time ago about why shouldn't Brixton have cutting edge architecture just like Peckham and the south bank have?

the local councillors for Herne Hill ward (Shakespeare Rd site) are:

jdickson@lambeth.gov.uk Jim Dickson
kmchugh@lambeth.gov.uk Kirsty McHugh
po'connell@lambeth.gov.uk Peter O Connell (all labour)

abottrall@lambeth.gov.uk Antony Bottrall (Lib Dem) is exec member for education

Not sure what ward Somerleyton Road is in - I think it may even be Herne Hill too....

Somerlyton Road is in Coldharbour ward.
From my experience Anthony Bottrall is a bit of a saint - if you're wondering round Stockwell estates and mention you know him you get an extremely positive response - for instance if you buzz on an entryphone and say you know him not only will you get let in but people will come out of their houses to tell you what he's done for them... so I have faith in his motives.
 
Brixton Hatter said:
Still, should we be building a city academy anyway, with it's selective policies and private investment? What's wrong with a comprehensive?

I did go into what City Academies are in the previous school thread.As Charcoal points shows in her post they are part of New Labours ideological commitment to putting "private enterprise" into public services.This is because they accept the Thatcherite premise that private enterprise is more efficient.New Labour are ideologically opposed to the Comprehensive system-as pointed out on a regular basis by Roy Hattersley.

The City Academy programme is based on the old Tory City Technology Colleges.

By setting up their own Nelson Mandela trust the SSCIL can bid to run a school and choose their own sponsor.This mean they can set up the City Academy as a Comprehensive type school.
 
aurora green said:
What a great idea!
I've been reading this thread for some days now thinking about what utter bollox all that stuff about poor transport links and dangerous roads is.

I love the idea of cutting edge architecture solving problems.
I think we need the school this neck of the woods, rather than up Brixton hill personally.

If you had read my earlier posts you would have seen that SSCIL are arguing that Brixton needs 2 new secondary schools.One in Shakespeare Rd and one on Brixton Hill.
 
Bob said:
Somerlyton Road is in Coldharbour ward.
From my experience Anthony Bottrall is a bit of a saint - if you're wondering round Stockwell estates and mention you know him you get an extremely positive response - for instance if you buzz on an entryphone and say you know him not only will you get let in but people will come out of their houses to tell you what he's done for them... so I have faith in his motives.

Ive asked this before and checked the Lib/Dem website-what is the Lib/Dem position on the City Academy programme?Thought you might know as ur a Lib supporter.As far as i can see as usual the Lib/Dems have no real policy on the form education should take.

Also as Anna has pointed out the Lib/Dems have no political imperative to be "saintly" in Brixton as they are never going ot get a seat here.Its always been rock solid Labour.
 
charcol said:
A warm glow. Sponsors are usually philanthropist businessmen/women rather than specific companies.

The DfES has an FAQ page on City Academies that also partly answers your question:
Why involve sponsors in running schools?
The involvement of sponsors in running Academies maximises the benefits that can be derived from a partnership with business and other non-government partners. The different perspective that sponsors can bring to both the basic curriculum and curriculum extension and enrichment activities is key to the change in culture and attitude required to break the cycle of underachievement. Sponsors can give extra focus and sharpness to the management of Academies. Academies have governors responsible for running the school in the interests of the pupils and community. Sponsors do not make a profit and the schools do not charge fees.​
http://www.standards.dfes.gov.uk/academies/faq/?version=1#582271

Summary of DfEs info:

1)City Academies will be set up as limited companies with charitable status.
2)They will be not be selective but will allow in on "aptitude" 10% who fit the "specialism" of the school.
3)They are not bound by the National Curriculum.
4)The sponsor will put in 2million.The rest to be met by Central government.
5)The sponsor in return will make decision on the "vision and ethos" of the school.
6)The sponsor will appoint the majority of the governors.Their will be one elected parent governor and one representive from the LEA.
7The school will be independant from the LEA.
 
Bob said:
Somerlyton Road is in Coldharbour ward.
From my experience Anthony Bottrall is a bit of a saint - if you're wondering round Stockwell estates and mention you know him you get an extremely positive response - for instance if you buzz on an entryphone and say you know him not only will you get let in but people will come out of their houses to tell you what he's done for them... so I have faith in his motives.

is this the school that Saint Bottrall would like ;)

http://sabrinastuff.com/pix/saint-trinians.jpg
 
hatboy said:
But everything else would have to go (sorry again Mrs M, but the school is more important).
:confused:
I thought you were the champion of the marginalised....who more marginalised than people with learning disabilities? So they get shoved aside but Carlton Mansions saved? Is it because the residents of Carlton Mansions are cooler or something? I don't get it, I really don't......and anyway, who says amazing architecture will only happen on Somerleyton? You could have your amazing bridge going over Brixton Road if you want........As I've said before, there are many other reasons why the Somerleyton site is unsuitable....I agree that what's there is rubbish, but it could be better without a school being built there, or the Adult Training Centre being razed ......
 
I think that "cutting-edge" or "magazine" architecture is unlikley to be the answer for a new secondary school. Whatever site is chosen, I think that a more organic approach, starting with the users needs, high standards of environmental design and construction to last are more important than a short-lived wow factor.

We already have the experience of the new Jubilee Primary at Tulse Hill, which photographs beautifully for the architecture magazines. Although overall it appears to be a very successful building, I understand from a colleague who knew teachers at the school that there were some relatively serious practical issues - not just normal desnagging - that allegedly arose from the design team taking a purely visual starting point.

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Are there any Jubilee parents on the Forum with views on this?
 
I don't know about Jubilee, but I knew a number of Pimlico parents.......I know that there was a long running problem at Pimlico with a glass roof that made part of the buiding so hot in the summer that the children had to be regularly sent home...if I remember correctly there were further problems because the visually amazing glass roof was listed........possibly the problem is still ongoing......
 
A link here about Pimlico and also about the Jubilee School......
http://education.independent.co.uk/schools/story.jsp?story=328306

Award-winning structures from the past, such as the glass and steel Pimlico School in London, have not always proved winners in the long run. Such schools have sometimes been cold in winter, and noisy and unbearably hot in the summer. For the Government's Commission for Architecture and the Built Environment (Cabe) however, the real risks are not associated with innovation, but with shoddy design. Some of the new cash going into schools has already helped to spread a rash of unpleasant, badly drawn buildings with minimal architectural input.

"What you're getting is patchy performance," says Jon Rouse from Cabe. "Some of the new buildings are good. Others are atrocious. Some of the new schools in North Wiltshire for example are little better than industrial sheds, without windows. We need to work with the DfES to ensure that it doesn't happen again."
 
hatboy said:
But everything else would have to go (sorry again Mrs M, but the school is more important).
Oh yeah, forgot to say.....
If the school is more important, why do you want it on the least suitable site? I know architecture is very important to you, but I have spent a very long time being a parent of secondary school age children (since 1985 in fact) and believe me, this is something I have thought about a lot. The Somerleyton site would probably be the most convenient location from my point of view, but the wrong location from the point of excellence for my kids......
Lambeth children have been shafted by various administrations for a long time (closure and sell-off of school sites, closure of Youth and Play facilities, lack of investment in the few places left etc etc). I think it's about time Lambeth started valuing the the most precious resource for the future that we have.
 
.....and another thing!
I think Lambeth have forgotten the four allegorical figures around the clock tower of the Town Hall.....they represent Art, Literature and Science....these days to get access to learning these things, our kids mostly have to leave the borough .


.....and what about the fourth I hear you cry? Well, that represents Justice.
 
Gramsci said:
Ive asked this before and checked the Lib/Dem website-what is the Lib/Dem position on the City Academy programme?Thought you might know as ur a Lib supporter.As far as i can see as usual the Lib/Dems have no real policy on the form education should take.

Also as Anna has pointed out the Lib/Dems have no political imperative to be "saintly" in Brixton as they are never going ot get a seat here.Its always been rock solid Labour.

Didn't see this at first so hadn't replied to it, bu I can't find anything quickly but it's clear from the thing below that the Lib Dem Education Spokesman Phil Willis MP is fairly anti Academies - though of course the council have to deal with what they are allowed to do by central government.
http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm199900/cmstand/f/st000606/am/00606s01.htm

On your second comment I'm slightly mystified as to what you mean :confused:
 
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